Author Topic: John Cho= Spike Spiegel? I THINK NOT (Read 3175 times)

jonhammstein · « **Reply #30 on:** Oct 25, 2021, 03:48:34 AM »

Yeah... I kinda get that feeling.

Fiero · « **Reply #31 on:** Oct 27, 2021, 05:59:41 PM »

And now an actual trailer, because the world we live in now requires both to exist.

jonhammstein · « **Reply #32 on:** Nov 03, 2021, 02:27:36 AM »

I'm crossing my fingers for this. Really want it to be good. Seems like it's mostly pulling from existing plotlines.

Imagine if it becomes wildly popular and we end up getting The Further Adventures of Spike & Co.?

B E C K · « **Reply #33 on:** Nov 04, 2021, 11:49:42 AM »

Daniella Pineda really shines in this trailer. To me, it just feels like she's having the time of her life as Faye and I like to see stuff like that from actors. It's hard to judge Mustafa Shakir from what this trailer gave him but Jet was basically the tough straight man, right? The little bit I saw of that seems to be fine.

John Cho though... meh. He feels hollow in this trailer. I almost feel like I'm watching a family sitcom and he's the cool dad who's trying to cosplay Spike in order to win back the affections of weeb daughter. It's like, uh, were Yoshi Sudarso or Ludi Lin that busy or something? Why couldn't one of them be Spike?

jonhammstein · « **Reply #34 on:** Nov 05, 2021, 04:09:40 AM »

"Daniella Pineda"?! Holy hell, I just assumed she had to be some variety of Asian.

Am I nuts?

B E C K · « **Reply #35 on:** Nov 05, 2021, 10:07:55 AM »

Online Wikipedia-ass stuff says Mexican-descent but for all we know she could have a random Asian person in her family tree like I supposedly do. Or there could be American natives in her family line.

jonhammstein · « **Reply #36 on:** Nov 05, 2021, 03:36:28 PM »

Maybe it's just a makeup thing. I'm looking at all these pictures of her on Google and she can appear wildly different from one photo to the next. In some she doesn't look even remotely Asian.

But you're right, she could very easily have a smidgen in her bloodline. Like how I could legally qualify for Indigenous status, but just from looking at me the only conclusion you'd ever arrive at is, "Dude is obviously white. Like, come on now."

jonhammstein · « **Reply #37 on:** Nov 30, 2021, 09:46:11 PM »

I finished watching this last night. It's not terrible... but I wouldn't say it's very good, either.

It's just so fucking hammy. Reminds me of that bygone era of syndicated television. Like, I'm talking Hercules and Xena.

And the tease for a second season at the end was just embarrassing. Cringe-inducing, even.

I can't recommend it.

B E C K · « **Reply #38 on:** Dec 01, 2021, 12:49:45 PM »

I'm here for ham. I like ham. I read some reviews, however, and I can't see myself dipping a toe in this. Isn't part of the appeal here a noir space western? I've been reading all feeling of that is absent. Also among reviews and comments are: that it gets too crass and gory; that Faye and Julia were retooled to be strong female characters™ (when nothing was wrong with either one to begin with); that there's cringey Marvel-style quipping; and then there's that Vicious... I mean, is there a reverse of a chef's kiss? Because that's what he is. At least he goes with Spike Cho in that they look like sitcom dads getting into a fight at a anime convention while their embarrassed teen daughters watch.

Also, some folks were claiming that it's light on the space-stuff and someone else joked that Netflix should've just skipped Cowboy Bebop and made a live action Trigun.

Why not? Would've made more out of the budget to just go to the desert and film a whole show there.

And... the nb stuff. I feel I shouldn't be touching this subject. I just hate how everyone and everything that's not "conventionally" male or female seems to be automatically nb. Ed and Gren were not nb. (I have a feeling them being nb never even comes up in the show. I'm going off of press info.)

I guess I'll see if I ever get bored enough to try and watch this but I certainly don't feel motivated to. Sorta like MOTU Revelation. (And probably Aggretsuko Season 4 as each season of that's been progressively worse.)

jonhammstein · « **Reply #39 on:** Dec 02, 2021, 03:56:42 AM »

Oh God, MOTU. I thought the first half was alright, but the second half jumped off a fucking cliff. Holy shit, I can't remember the last time a show dropped the ball so hard. Game of Thrones Season 8, probably.

Have you watched Arcane? That show is way, way better than it has any right to be.

Fiero · « **Reply #40 on:** Dec 02, 2021, 02:01:19 PM »

I started the show. It's just fine. It's trying to have the same feel but it just doesn't. Oh well, decent enough to have playing while I'm doing something else more important.

B E C K · « **Reply #41 on:** Dec 02, 2021, 03:55:35 PM »

Quote from: joerammstein on Dec 02, 2021, 03:56:42 AM

Oh God, MOTU. I thought the first half was alright, but the second half jumped off a fucking cliff. Holy shit, I can't remember the last time a show dropped the ball so hard. Game of Thrones Season 8, probably.

Have you watched Arcane? That show is way, way better than it has any right to be.

Did they have a ball to begin with? I couldn't get past the first episode.

Haven't seen Arcane other than pieces here and there but I've heard lots of good buzz so it is on my watch list.

Arcane is the work of a French studio. Perhaps Mattel needs to outsource to the French since it's working for Riot Games.

Rodent of Unusual Size · « **Reply #42 on:** Dec 03, 2021, 05:38:42 PM »

I'll not watch live Cowboy Bebop. The original stands as an all-time favorite, and I'm satisfied with that and don't need to subject myself to a Whedonized take. As for the nb stuff, just wait until surgically-modified cat people become the cause du jour, and the causeheads freak when they can't decide whether to lionize (heh) Thundercats for advancing the topic or re-cancel them for appropriation.

As for MOTU, it was a great, big meh. They tried to position it as a continuation of the original show when it clearly wasn't. You can't convince me that Kevin Smith wrote the first word of it: he didn't know all that other stuff from Classics bios and what-not. It was just a Castlevania-esque fan-wank banking on popular familiarity and shitty shock value. Granted, I didn't hate it, but it wasn't a good story and didn't add anything worthwhile to the mythos. I'm glad I didn't pay Netflix for the privilege if for no other reason than needing eyebleach for the Lyn-straddling-Skeletor scene.

B E C K · « **Reply #43 on:** Dec 03, 2021, 07:40:54 PM »

I don't get these shows that are put out as "continuations" but then proceed not to continue jack shit and spit upon the spirit of the original. Yeah, we're not talking high art here but why not just flat out reboot or spin off? They could've just called this Revelations: A Masters of the Universe story by Kevin Smith and just have it be it's own thing. That whatever bitch in a suit decided this had to be a continuation legit enrages me irrationally.

B E C K · « **Reply #44 on:** Dec 09, 2021, 11:09:45 PM »

And now it's cancelled.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/cowboy-bebop-canceled-netflix-1235060256/amp/

And there's another article where a producer tweeted about how there was cool shit planned or whatever for other seasons. You should've done the cool shit to begin with. I'm sick of these dumbass shows and movies so preoccupied with the next season or the sequel film that we end up with a glorified preview to watch instead of something with a solid story. They should've assumed there'd only be one season and allowed Spike Cho to die at the end.

jonhammstein · « **Reply #45 on:** Dec 13, 2021, 01:27:28 PM »

It's for the best. The writers, director, whomever, they didn't know what they had. They didn't know what to do with it.

I read some article where the journo was lamenting that now we'll never see where it could have gone, and oh what a waste of the groundwork they had built, and blah blah blah.

I feel like anytime you're on a TV or film project, treat it like it's your last hurrah. Don't be acting like Season 1 or Movie 1 is just setup for some really cool shit down the road... show us what you've got right out of the gate.

Man, it's so trite at this point. Literally every time something is canceled now, you've got someone who was involved showing up on twitter acting all wistful about how "We wish you could have seen what we had in store for you!"

Fuck off, eh.

B E C K · « **Reply #46 on:** Dec 13, 2021, 02:05:33 PM »

Yeah, seriously. Just like that Legend of Korra bullshit where all these excuses were made for season 1. "Durr, they didn't know if they'd get more than one season so...blehblehbleh... they couldn't tell the story they wanteddddd." Thirteen episodes! Thirteen fuckin' episodes! So many creatives—myself included—would kill to be able to tell whatever magic martial arts story we wanted in thirteen episodes. And then everyone found out it was all lies anyway because the writers still couldn't tell a story that made sense in the remaining three seasons.

Bebop was worse because it cribbed from pre-existing material but then butchered everything. If that's all they were doing, then they never had a story to begin with.

B E C K · « **Reply #47 on:** Dec 13, 2021, 10:27:10 PM »

Maybe I'm just a giant asshole but I'm really enjoying seeing this thing being ripped to shreds all over the place. All the way from the non-stop ribbing on "blackmail/black male" (so cringe that I think the actors mutter it on purpose)...

and the "welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers."

I've been bingeing so many vids about this fucked up show, eating popcorn, and laughing. The outrage and vitriol is like the gift that keeps on giving. Just in time for Christmas.

jonhammstein · « **Reply #48 on:** Dec 14, 2021, 12:12:25 PM »

A lot -- A LOT -- of the dialogue is truly rancid. Almost as if the writing process was one and done.

"Second draft? Huh? Bwuh?"

B E C K · « **Reply #49 on:** Jan 02, 2022, 08:36:05 PM »

Now with laugh tracks...