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General Garbage => Tropical Paradise of Hard Shelled Fruits => Topic started by: Faye Valentine on Apr 05, 2019, 05:08:47 AM
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I am disgusted >:( >:( >:( :puke: :puke: :puke: WHY oh why do Hollywood keep shitting all over our precious animu? Keanu was a much better choice. John Cho looks like the typical geeky guy from university ffs.
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/cowboy-bebop-netflix-live-action-series-cast-1203180399/
And then that other dorky lookin mofo playing Vicious!?!? wtf! WHYYYY
At least the guy playing Jet Black and the Faye girl look ok (looks like they got her based on that one "realistic" rendering of Faye that has been going around for a while).
I hope these series crash and burn.
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Keanu would have made a terrific Spike once upon a time, but he's perhaps a bit too aged now.
It's been a long time, I should probably revisit Cowboy Bebop one of these days.
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The John Wick movies indicate that he can pull it off physically, but the age thing might be the biggest factor against at this point.
The Vicious actor is going to be in an adaptation of The Boys. I don't really know how I think about that. It's going to be a bloody mess.
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Keanu would have made a terrific Spike once upon a time, but he's perhaps a bit too aged now.
Yes I am aware, that's why I said "was". (have you guys seen that pic of him shopped with Spike's hair? Resemblance was uncanny). Hell, even James Deen would make a better choice.
The Vicious actor is going to be in an adaptation of The Boys. I don't really know how I think about that. It's going to be a bloody mess.
That dorky fuck looks like a young Hugh Laurie.
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1) They should just stop with the remakes and adaptations of things that were done right the first time.
2) No matter how shallow this sounds, John Cho's not hot enough to be Spike. Don't get me wrong, I like John Cho. He could be the loveable leading man in a sweet rom-com. As Spike? No. He's also missing the athleticism, the cool demeanor, and he's too damn old. He's 46. The guy playing Jet is younger than the guy playing Spike and even the guy playing Jet is too damn old. I think more older actors and actresses should be used in productions, yes, but not as the leads in Cowboy Bebop. They might as well have casted Reeves since they apparently wanted Middle-Aged Bebop. ::)
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1) They should just stop with the remakes and adaptations of things that were done right the first time.
2) No matter how shallow this sounds, John Cho's not hot enough to be Spike. Don't get me wrong, I like John Cho. He could be the loveable leading man in a sweet rom-com. As Spike? No. He's also missing the athleticism, the cool demeanor, and he's too damn old. He's 46. The guy playing Jet is younger than the guy playing Spike and even the guy playing Jet is too damn old. I think more older actors and actresses should be used in productions, yes, but not as the leads in Cowboy Bebop. They might as well have casted Reeves since they apparently wanted Middle-Aged Bebop. ::)
Ehm what about him being from a completely different ethnicity? Why didnt Disney make Mulan with a latin woman then? fuck is wrong with all these hollywood people. goddamn i had forgotten about this but now I'm angry again. Let's see how they fuck up One Piece too.
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Well, ideally I would've liked a hot Japanese guy to play Spike or something. In this situation, ethnicity-fail was kinda the least of their problems tho'.
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What race is Spike Spiegel supposed to be, anyway? He's a Martian for crying out loud.
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I always assumed the cast of Cowboy Bebop were all Caucasian, except maybe Ed.
But I'm a cracker-ass honky, so it's probably just default bias.
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I guess they can be anything you want them to be. I mean, nobody is going to construe Faye as an African queen or whatever, but the point is that it doesn't matter as its not really important to who any of them are. Except for Bull.
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I always assumed the cast of Cowboy Bebop were all Caucasian, except maybe Ed.
But I'm a cracker-ass honky, so it's probably just default bias.
Even tho Faye's character was based on Faye Wong and Spike's on some japanese actor I cant remember the name, they are still obviously caucasian (except Jett Black obvi).
I guess they can be anything you want them to be. I mean, nobody is going to construe Faye as an African queen
Disney's live action little Mermaid wants to have a word with you
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I was just talking about her look from the anime. But they can cast any race they want and it won't affect the character.
With reference to your example I struggle to see why an actress of African descent is playing a character from Atlantis, as that comes from Greek legend and to my knowledge has nothing to do with Africa and thus wouldn't likely have black mermaid princesses living there. Then again, it's neither actually Atlantis nor a real place, so I reckon they can do whatever they want with it.
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I wouldn't have a problem with black mermaid but for the fact their adapting their own adaptation that had a ginger Ariel. I would've liked her to stay ginger tbh.
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I was just talking about her look from the anime. But they can cast any race they want and it won't affect the character.
With reference to your example I struggle to see why an actress of African descent is playing a character from Atlantis, as that comes from Greek legend and to my knowledge has nothing to do with Africa and thus wouldn't likely have black mermaid princesses living there. Then again, it's neither actually Atlantis nor a real place, so I reckon they can do whatever they want with it.
Let's -NOT- go there.
I wouldn't have a problem with black mermaid but for the fact their adapting their own adaptation that had a ginger Ariel. I would've liked her to stay ginger tbh.
Preach
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Speaking of live action Disney remakes, I think that Mulan looks like it could actually be okay. First time for everything, eh?
Just to be clear, that's a shot at live action Disney remakes, not Mulan. Mulan's pretty good.
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I thought so too. But then I read there's no Shang and no Mushu? Whyyyyyyy
Also I heard a lot of people were against it because the Mulan actress made a point of saying she is pro-chinese govt while the whole Hong Kong situation was going on
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I was just talking about her look from the anime. But they can cast any race they want and it won't affect the character.
With reference to your example I struggle to see why an actress of African descent is playing a character from Atlantis, as that comes from Greek legend and to my knowledge has nothing to do with Africa and thus wouldn't likely have black mermaid princesses living there. Then again, it's neither actually Atlantis nor a real place, so I reckon they can do whatever they want with it.
North Africa isn't that far from Greece. If Atlantis was somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea near Greece, it's also fairly close to modern-day Libya.
Of course, if you instead believe that video my mom shared twice on Facebook, or Aquaman, Atlantis was originally in the middle of the Sahara and it would make even more sense.
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Pictures from the adaptation here - https://ew.com/tv/cowboy-bebop-first-look-photos-john-cho-spike-spiegel/
It's fine, I guess. I'm not surprised or hyped by any of it, really. Adaptations will never live up to source material for those that love the source.
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I dunno, man. I'm excited to see it. I can't explain it.
Maybe it's because I revisited Knockin' on Heaven's Door not long ago and it filled me with a wistfulness for all things Bebop.
I want this. I'm sorry, Faye -- wherever you may roam.
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There actually seems to be a sense of fun in these photos. Especially from Cho and the chick playing Faye. I probably still won't watch this but I'll give it a shot if I hear good things.
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The fact that the composer Yoko Kanno is back is probably what I'm most hyped about. It doesn't look like it'll bad just nothing about it makes me think, "must watch immediately."
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Honestly, I'd probably be more interested if this was just outright an original show.
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It probably will be for the most part. I'll watch it and render judgment afterward.
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I watched the opening that's available online and, well, it's basically the same as the original so of course it's good. Because it's a copy, the opening's not a great barometer for the quality of the show itself. That said, it was smart to release it and get people hyped.
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Interesting: most of the original cast are reprising their roles in the Japanese dub of the live action show.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-10-12/original-cowboy-bebop-cast-reprise-roles-for-japanese-dub-of-live-action-series/.178383
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That's a pretty cool get.
I do wonder if any of them are starting to sound a little crusty, though.
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The voice of Jet certainly is, seeing that he's dead and all.
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They at least look like they're having fun.
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Oh damn. That's too good.
I really hope the show itself is actually like that.
Be a real kick in the head if that whole style was strictly for promotion.
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Oh damn. That's too good.
I really hope the show itself is actually like that.
Be a real kick in the head if that whole style was strictly for promotion.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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Yeah... I kinda get that feeling.
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And now an actual trailer, because the world we live in now requires both to exist.
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I'm crossing my fingers for this. Really want it to be good. Seems like it's mostly pulling from existing plotlines.
Imagine if it becomes wildly popular and we end up getting The Further Adventures of Spike & Co.?
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Daniella Pineda really shines in this trailer. To me, it just feels like she's having the time of her life as Faye and I like to see stuff like that from actors. It's hard to judge Mustafa Shakir from what this trailer gave him but Jet was basically the tough straight man, right? The little bit I saw of that seems to be fine.
John Cho though... meh. He feels hollow in this trailer. I almost feel like I'm watching a family sitcom and he's the cool dad who's trying to cosplay Spike in order to win back the affections of weeb daughter. It's like, uh, were Yoshi Sudarso or Ludi Lin that busy or something? Why couldn't one of them be Spike?
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"Daniella Pineda"?! Holy hell, I just assumed she had to be some variety of Asian.
Am I nuts?
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Online Wikipedia-ass stuff says Mexican-descent but for all we know she could have a random Asian person in her family tree like I supposedly do. Or there could be American natives in her family line.
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Maybe it's just a makeup thing. I'm looking at all these pictures of her on Google and she can appear wildly different from one photo to the next. In some she doesn't look even remotely Asian.
But you're right, she could very easily have a smidgen in her bloodline. Like how I could legally qualify for Indigenous status, but just from looking at me the only conclusion you'd ever arrive at is, "Dude is obviously white. Like, come on now."
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I finished watching this last night. It's not terrible... but I wouldn't say it's very good, either.
It's just so fucking hammy. Reminds me of that bygone era of syndicated television. Like, I'm talking Hercules and Xena.
And the tease for a second season at the end was just embarrassing. Cringe-inducing, even.
I can't recommend it.
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I'm here for ham. I like ham. I read some reviews, however, and I can't see myself dipping a toe in this. Isn't part of the appeal here a noir space western? I've been reading all feeling of that is absent. Also among reviews and comments are: that it gets too crass and gory; that Faye and Julia were retooled to be strong female characters™ (when nothing was wrong with either one to begin with); that there's cringey Marvel-style quipping; and then there's that Vicious... I mean, is there a reverse of a chef's kiss? Because that's what he is. At least he goes with Spike Cho in that they look like sitcom dads getting into a fight at a anime convention while their embarrassed teen daughters watch.
Also, some folks were claiming that it's light on the space-stuff and someone else joked that Netflix should've just skipped Cowboy Bebop and made a live action Trigun. :laugh: Why not? Would've made more out of the budget to just go to the desert and film a whole show there.
And... the nb stuff. I feel I shouldn't be touching this subject. I just hate how everyone and everything that's not "conventionally" male or female seems to be automatically nb. Ed and Gren were not nb. (I have a feeling them being nb never even comes up in the show. I'm going off of press info.)
I guess I'll see if I ever get bored enough to try and watch this but I certainly don't feel motivated to. Sorta like MOTU Revelation. (And probably Aggretsuko Season 4 as each season of that's been progressively worse.)
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Oh God, MOTU. I thought the first half was alright, but the second half jumped off a fucking cliff. Holy shit, I can't remember the last time a show dropped the ball so hard. Game of Thrones Season 8, probably.
Have you watched Arcane? That show is way, way better than it has any right to be.
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I started the show. It's just fine. It's trying to have the same feel but it just doesn't. Oh well, decent enough to have playing while I'm doing something else more important.
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Oh God, MOTU. I thought the first half was alright, but the second half jumped off a fucking cliff. Holy shit, I can't remember the last time a show dropped the ball so hard. Game of Thrones Season 8, probably.
Have you watched Arcane? That show is way, way better than it has any right to be.
Did they have a ball to begin with? I couldn't get past the first episode.
Haven't seen Arcane other than pieces here and there but I've heard lots of good buzz so it is on my watch list.
Arcane is the work of a French studio. Perhaps Mattel needs to outsource to the French since it's working for Riot Games. :P
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I'll not watch live Cowboy Bebop. The original stands as an all-time favorite, and I'm satisfied with that and don't need to subject myself to a Whedonized take. As for the nb stuff, just wait until surgically-modified cat people become the cause du jour, and the causeheads freak when they can't decide whether to lionize (heh) Thundercats for advancing the topic or re-cancel them for appropriation.
As for MOTU, it was a great, big meh. They tried to position it as a continuation of the original show when it clearly wasn't. You can't convince me that Kevin Smith wrote the first word of it: he didn't know all that other stuff from Classics bios and what-not. It was just a Castlevania-esque fan-wank banking on popular familiarity and shitty shock value. Granted, I didn't hate it, but it wasn't a good story and didn't add anything worthwhile to the mythos. I'm glad I didn't pay Netflix for the privilege if for no other reason than needing eyebleach for the Lyn-straddling-Skeletor scene.
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I don't get these shows that are put out as "continuations" but then proceed not to continue jack shit and spit upon the spirit of the original. Yeah, we're not talking high art here but why not just flat out reboot or spin off? They could've just called this Revelations: A Masters of the Universe story by Kevin Smith and just have it be it's own thing. That whatever bitch in a suit decided this had to be a continuation legit enrages me irrationally.
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And now it's cancelled. :lol:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/cowboy-bebop-canceled-netflix-1235060256/amp/
And there's another article where a producer tweeted about how there was cool shit planned or whatever for other seasons. You should've done the cool shit to begin with. I'm sick of these dumbass shows and movies so preoccupied with the next season or the sequel film that we end up with a glorified preview to watch instead of something with a solid story. They should've assumed there'd only be one season and allowed Spike Cho to die at the end.
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It's for the best. The writers, director, whomever, they didn't know what they had. They didn't know what to do with it.
I read some article where the journo was lamenting that now we'll never see where it could have gone, and oh what a waste of the groundwork they had built, and blah blah blah.
I feel like anytime you're on a TV or film project, treat it like it's your last hurrah. Don't be acting like Season 1 or Movie 1 is just setup for some really cool shit down the road... show us what you've got right out of the gate.
Man, it's so trite at this point. Literally every time something is canceled now, you've got someone who was involved showing up on twitter acting all wistful about how "We wish you could have seen what we had in store for you!"
Fuck off, eh.
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Yeah, seriously. Just like that Legend of Korra bullshit where all these excuses were made for season 1. "Durr, they didn't know if they'd get more than one season so...blehblehbleh... they couldn't tell the story they wanteddddd." Thirteen episodes! Thirteen fuckin' episodes! So many creatives—myself included—would kill to be able to tell whatever magic martial arts story we wanted in thirteen episodes. And then everyone found out it was all lies anyway because the writers still couldn't tell a story that made sense in the remaining three seasons.
Bebop was worse because it cribbed from pre-existing material but then butchered everything. If that's all they were doing, then they never had a story to begin with.
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Maybe I'm just a giant asshole but I'm really enjoying seeing this thing being ripped to shreds all over the place. All the way from the non-stop ribbing on "blackmail/black male" (so cringe that I think the actors mutter it on purpose)...
and the "welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers."
I've been bingeing so many vids about this fucked up show, eating popcorn, and laughing. The outrage and vitriol is like the gift that keeps on giving. Just in time for Christmas.
(https://c.tenor.com/tqrnyB3D9B0AAAAM/the-grinch-evil-smile.gif)
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A lot -- A LOT -- of the dialogue is truly rancid. Almost as if the writing process was one and done.
"Second draft? Huh? Bwuh?"
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Now with laugh tracks...