Author Topic: Came Very Close Last night.... (Read 25631 times)

Bernie AKA · « **Reply #30 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 08:32:06 AM »

There is one passage in the Bible that deals specifically with the act of causing a woman to abort a pregnancy that the fundie anti-choice faction has apparently never read. And the penalty for causing the abortion is not what many would lead us to believe:

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And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. Exodus 21:22-25

So a woman loses her child by being stuck by men who are fighting. Rather than it being a capital offense, however, it is relegated to a civil matter, with the father-to-be taking the participants to court for a settlement. But, if the woman is killed, a "life for a life," then the men who killed her shall be killed. Babies don't have teeth when they are born, and it is highly unlikely a baby will be burned during birth. Obviously this part refers to the mother. Sooo, if the baby is lost, it does not require a death sentence -- it is not considered murder. But if the woman is lost, it is considered murder and is punished by death. Hmmmm.... <_<

My sister is rabid anti-choice; my brother & I are rabidly pro-choice, so a lot of tongue biting goes on. I respect everyone's right to an opinion. But if I'm faced with a forced-birth asshole, like that senator from South Dakota who wanted to outlaw abortion entirely, EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE AND INCEST, I'll attack and it won't be pretty. :angry:

tomduo · « **Reply #31 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 09:43:03 AM »

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There is one passage in the Bible that deals specifically with the act of causing a woman to abort a pregnancy that the fundie anti-choice faction has apparently never read. And the penalty for causing the abortion is not what many would lead us to believe:

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And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. Exodus 21:22-25

So a woman loses her child by being stuck by men who are fighting. Rather than it being a capital offense, however, it is relegated to a civil matter, with the father-to-be taking the participants to court for a settlement. But, if the woman is killed, a "life for a life," then the men who killed her shall be killed. Babies don't have teeth when they are born, and it is highly unlikely a baby will be burned during birth. Obviously this part refers to the mother. Sooo, if the baby is lost, it does not require a death sentence -- it is not considered murder. But if the woman is lost, it is considered murder and is punished by death. Hmmmm.... <_<

My sister is rabid anti-choice; my brother & I are rabidly pro-choice, so a lot of tongue biting goes on. I respect everyone's right to an opinion. But if I'm faced with a forced-birth asshole, like that senator from South Dakota who wanted to outlaw abortion entirely, EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE AND INCEST, I'll attack and it won't be pretty. :angry:

*sighs*

Why do people look at the bible..?

Wickedly Yours E · « **Reply #32 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 09:54:45 AM »

The Bible is not a directions manual. It's not a How To Book. It is......An Advice book. A Highly Overrated advice book.

tomduo · « **Reply #33 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 10:13:56 AM »

Exactly. And it's one of many, that doesn't relfect God's voice, but a cultures interpretation of God's voice.

Bernie AKA · « **Reply #34 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 10:24:06 AM »

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My my, what a thumping good read. Lions eating Christians, people nailing each other to two by fours. I'll say, you won't find that in Winnie the Pooh.

Stewie Griffin

Faye Valentine · « **Reply #35 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 10:27:23 AM »

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What about:

"Rape"

I mean, would you want a kid from an emotional time? Also, what about:

"He said he loved me... and I believed him. Now I barely make enough to live, yet I am knocked up and he left."

I doubt God would let abortion exist if he was really against it.
The first one I give you. One place where I'm okay with abortion.

The second one is something she fucked up on her own responsibilites in my opinion.

And on this last bullshit. Mother fucker, do you think murder, beatings, torture are things God lets exist because he wasn't really against it? Fuck dude.

word.

Bernie AKA · « **Reply #36 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 10:41:21 AM »

Amusing story; take it at face value, but I don't think she'd have any reason to make it up. A friend dated the son of a local Republican politician for about a year and the abortion debate came up. Now dad is rampantly against, but son laughed that off, saying that he personally knew of four of our fair state's most vocal opponents who had sent their daughters off for "a ski weekend in Switzerland"; an updating of the old "attending school in Switzerland this year" code phrase from the days when the girl went out of the country for the duration and the child was usually taken before she was even revived from the anesthetic. IOW, the family was rich enough to both send the girl out of the country for her abortion and make sure nobody mentioned it lest it ruin the patriarch's political aspirations or standing in the community. All the highly-respectable friends nod sagely and commend Dad for doing the right thing by his family and then go to the titty bars or whatever old rich white guys do after orchestrating other people's lives.

People with money will always have access to safe, clean abortion, no matter what the law says. Everyone else can take their chances with knitting needles or massive doses of certain herbs.

poppy G · « **Reply #37 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 01:11:25 PM »

If men could get pregnant they would be all about the aborting you betcha.
The sewer would be overrun with fetuses.

Faye Valentine · « **Reply #38 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 01:30:22 PM »

haha sounds like my highschool is republican then(can be, cause the nuns and most of the teachers are americans). In all the history of my school, theres just one girl who got pregnant and had the baby. But they kicked out of the school before she gave birth. The nuns and the parents association got together and decided she had to go because that could alter the image of the school.

I've heard rumors of a couple of girls in my class that came to the US or to another country to have an abortion, but im not 100%sure.

Wickedly Yours E · « **Reply #39 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 02:24:19 PM »

Worrying about one's image is paramount to idiocracy and irrelevance.

Why? ....Why not?

tomduo · « **Reply #40 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 02:46:13 PM »

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And on this last bullshit. Mother fucker, do you think murder, beatings, torture are things God lets exist because he wasn't really against it? Fuck dude.

Murder Beatings, torture, etc are all done by choice as well. While God says he is against it, there are still wars and the like going on every day. So if abortion is banned and illegal, then so should violence. But still, violence is part of our society, as it's a result. Aborition is a result in some cases. I doubt any woman looks forward to it, nor is she the same after it. But it is a neccessity in cases.

And whoever said God was good? If he was, evil wouldn't exist. God is both good and evil. In all holy books, God is good and evil.

Bernie AKA · « **Reply #41 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 03:03:19 PM »

tom hit the nail on that one.

Kerry is against abortion also, HOWEVER, he doesn't feel he has the right to make this manner of serious personal decision for anyone and has said repeatedly that abortion is between a woman, her doctor, and her God. Notice the absense of the man in the picture, as he has at least had the courtesy to research the statistics regarding how many men hang around after the prospect of an unwanted child dawns before spouting drivel about how promoting "traditional" marriage (which has certainly changed since the days of Abraham poking the maid because his wife was barren with God's blessings, hmm?) will solve all problems and make abortion unnecessary.

"Promoting marriage"....

So what, the Prez sends you a nifty autographed "Marriage is Kewl!" poster and a gift card to Chili's if you respond before the deadline?

The D · « **Reply #42 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 03:30:27 PM »

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The Bible is not a directions manual. It's not a How To Book. It is......An Advice book. A Highly Overrated advice book.

Actually, most christians consider the Bible a instructions manual or the direct word of God not to be altered or manipulated to read the way you want it to read.

And in fact, at least the Old Testament (Torrah if you're Jewish) IS partly a instruction manual, especially for Jewish law. And, as it was being written in the distant past, it was a set of laws on how the Hebrew Jews had to live. The whole "Eye for an eye" on spousal abuse law that Bernie mentioned was one of those Hebrew laws. I'm sure many people really were stoned to death or killed or punished for breaking one of those laws.

Of course, many of those laws barely apply today, and hopefully no one considers taking part in the forms of punishment described there (although it might be great fun to stone certain people to death

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tomduo · « **Reply #43 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 03:31:15 PM »

Jesus taught us to think about our actions. So have others.

Bernie AKA · « **Reply #44 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 03:53:43 PM »

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Actually, most christians consider the Bible a instructions manual or the direct word of God not to be altered or manipulated to read the way you want it to read.

Which brings me to one of my major problems with fundamentalists: Whose interpretation is correct? Dear old King James VI/I (depending upon whether one is in Scotland or England)? Was the correct version in 1611 or does one of the revised versions carry the official "Jehovah-approved" sticker? The Latter-Day Saints have something to say about that with the Book of Mormon. Was Adam's first wife Lilith (according to Judaeism) off shopping when the Christian interpreters began recording their versions?

Frankly, a lot of these earth-shaking dilemas that become campaign platform planks could be alleviated if people would just mind their own fucking business. :angry:

tomduo · « **Reply #45 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 04:20:49 PM »

The bible now is a heavily edited interpretation of the original scripts, written from third parties in most cases.

Fiero · « **Reply #46 on:** Sep 01, 2004, 08:19:25 PM »

So true. I so fuck Christians, me and God got our deal. I don't kill the asshole Joe at work, and I wait to fuck my girl till we're married, I go to heaven. Hell yeah, bitches.

blanktoe · « **Reply #47 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 12:05:03 AM »

God wouldnt mind if you banged your girlfriend. He did knock up a virgin out of wedlock you know.

tomduo · « **Reply #48 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 12:10:03 AM »

Exactly!

B E C K · « **Reply #49 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 12:12:50 AM »

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So what, the Prez sends you a nifty autographed "Marriage is Kewl!" poster and a gift card to Chili's if you respond before the deadline?

..........Chili's you say?

tomduo · « **Reply #50 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 12:20:16 AM »

I want some shrimp poppers!

B E C K · « **Reply #51 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 12:25:29 AM »

Chili's Mar~ried Back Ribs.
Chili's Married Back Ribs.
BARBEQUE SAUCE!

tomduo · « **Reply #52 on:** Sep 02, 2004, 09:50:18 AM »

With extra sauce? Sex is fluidy!

B E C K · « **Reply #53 on:** Sep 03, 2004, 12:34:15 AM »

.....you mean like BBQ flavoured KY?

Fiero · « **Reply #54 on:** Sep 03, 2004, 06:42:45 AM »

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.....you mean like BBQ flavoured KY?

Only if it still has the warming sensation.

Wickedly Yours E · « **Reply #55 on:** Sep 05, 2004, 08:55:35 PM »

Holy Fucktards, Batman.

tomduo · « **Reply #56 on:** Sep 06, 2004, 09:39:28 PM »

I want BBQ fuck lube!

Fiero · « **Reply #57 on:** Sep 06, 2004, 10:19:46 PM »

You want to lick a BBQ asscrack?

tomduo · « **Reply #58 on:** Sep 06, 2004, 10:37:24 PM »

I wanna lick a BBQ pussy. What the hell are you thinking about?

B E C K · « **Reply #59 on:** Sep 07, 2004, 12:42:39 AM »

Gayness!

(Not commenting on anything in the thread, but answering the question.)