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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #30 on: Mar 31, 2011, 04:13:30 AM »
What if will smith played the kaneda character and this movie made a huge profit?  What would the conclusion be then?  More racism?


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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #31 on: Mar 31, 2011, 04:14:11 AM »
This argument is all a rehash of a thread from Squirrel's board.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #32 on: Mar 31, 2011, 06:46:04 PM »
What if will smith played the kaneda character and this movie made a huge profit?  What would the conclusion be then?  More racism?



It would be racist but the movie would make a shit ton of money. Making the whole argument about race moot.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #33 on: Apr 01, 2011, 10:39:19 PM »
It's not racially motivated because it's monetarily motivated, like me and Joe said. 

Based on the idea that white dudes make more money.  Not every big name actor today was always "known".  You have to get "known" somehow but if no other races get casted, how the hell do they ever get to be known?  Why some pissant like Justin Chatwin or Nicola Peltz or Jackson Rathbone.  Those sure as hell aren't big names.  If the idea of being "monetarily motivated" is that white people won't see movies without white leads then that IS racist.  "Monetarily motivated" is the Last Airbender starring Miley Cyrus and Robert Pattinson, not the nobodies we ended up with.

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Oh one in 10 people are asian in manhattan? Clearly lets market to them!

Come on you're smarter than this.

Are you really saying you wouldn't watch a movie starring Asian Americans?  If ANY of you would not buy a ticket based solely on the lack of white people in the main cast, then you have proven to yourself that the idea that an Asian lead is "marketing to Asians" is crap.  I totally see movies with Asians in them.  Putting Asians in this movie would be marketing to me and I ain't Asian.

Did any of you refuse to watch a martial arts film because it stars an Asian?  The idea that a movie starring Asians is only marketing to Asians is fallacy.  Anime is marketed to Asians but it doesn't stop most of you here from watching it.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #34 on: Apr 02, 2011, 12:25:42 AM »
But that's mixing mass-market with nerd tastes.
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #35 on: Apr 02, 2011, 07:55:32 AM »
Look, forget all the racism crap for a minute.

Akira is obviously intended to be a blockbuster, right? What's the most sensible path to a blockbuster? Well, hopefully you start with a strong script. Then you try to drum up interest among certain parties so as to secure an adequate budget. Then you get together a cast that Joe Blow Moviegoer is going to recognize. You need that. You need stars on a project like this.

How many Asians qualify as stars in America?

You'd need to cast Jet Li as Tetsuo and Jackie Chan as Kaneda.

Or Grant from Mythbusters and Archie from CSI.

Pffft.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #36 on: Apr 02, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »
Look, forget all the racism crap for a minute.

Akira is obviously intended to be a blockbuster, right? What's the most sensible path to a blockbuster? Well, hopefully you start with a strong script. Then you try to drum up interest among certain parties so as to secure an adequate budget. Then you get together a cast that Joe Blow Moviegoer is going to recognize. You need that. You need stars on a project like this.

How many Asians qualify as stars in America?

You'd need to cast Jet Li as Tetsuo and Jackie Chan as Kaneda.

Or Grant from Mythbusters and Archie from CSI.

Pffft.

I'd watch that but Jackie Chan is too old.
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #37 on: Apr 03, 2011, 12:24:07 AM »
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And if you want to call the white audience racist that's fine with me they're no more or less racist than the black or latino audiences.

Okay, I didn't reply to this because I just saw it, but who said anything about the white audience being racist?  "Less racist than the black or latino audience"?  For what?  The black and latino audience supporting the one or two meager films that actually come out every year that star a black or latino person?  A white audience isn't racist anyway because they aren't even given a choice anymore.  All of the major films star mostly whites by default.  If you want to see a big blockbuster, you are saddled with a mostly white cast.  Period.  It's not the audience's fault--white or otherwise--that all of the big-wig head honchos still live in the last century and insist on their shitty casting practices.



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Look, forget all the racism crap for a minute.

Really, what do you think racism is?  Taking away the few opportunties non-"White America" has for a lead role in what's already a stacked profession is the epitome of racist.  If anything, let that fact compute.



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Then you get together a cast that Joe Blow Moviegoer is going to recognize. You need that. You need stars on a project like this.

Most of the people being considered for the leads aren't even big stars.  Chris Pine?  Andrew Garfield's not even a big star.  He could be the one who kills the franchise for all anyone knows.  James McAvoy, Garrett Hedlund, Michael Fassbende?  Who the fuck ARE these people?  Would you really be able to get ten random people off of the street able to tell who all of those dweebs even are because THAT's Joe Blow Moviegoer.  Joe Blow Moviegoer likes Johnny Depp.  They don't know who Garrett Hedlund is.


Advertising and lack of studio support will make or break this film.  Bring in a big-name director and producers, big-name co-stars, some product tie-ins and let all of THAT shit whore the movie.  Get your leads to do Dancing With the Stars or some shit.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #38 on: Apr 03, 2011, 12:25:11 AM »

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #39 on: Apr 03, 2011, 02:26:28 AM »
I'm just going to drop it. I'm white. I've never known what it's like to be discriminated against because of the color of my skin. When I see a foreign film being remade for an American audience, and the cast is all-the-way Caucasian, it's status quo as far as I'm concerned.

They often say Hollywood is run by the Jews. It would seem, to a certain extent, that they're inadvertently propagating Hitler's Aryan ideal.

How's that for irony?

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #40 on: Apr 03, 2011, 11:12:06 AM »
They also like money.
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #41 on: Apr 03, 2011, 01:48:18 PM »
I'll just put this here: American Akira -
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #42 on: Apr 04, 2011, 11:44:08 AM »
You'd need to cast Jet Li as Tetsuo and Jackie Chan as Kaneda.

I wouldn't even like that. Cause those guys are Chinese, not Japanese. I hate this idea that Chinese and Japanese are interchangeable that Hollywood has. It's how we got a Chinese Storm Shadow and a Karate Kid movie about Kung Fu. I wish I could say I hate these kinda things cause it's racist, but why that bug me it's more about staying true to source material. I'd be just as mad if they a made a black Spider-Man or James Bond (Hell I was mad cause Daniel Craig had the wrong hair color) as I am about this. I was mad about the Chinese Storm Shadow when he was suppose to be Japanese. That's what gets my nerd rage up.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #43 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:26:53 PM »
I hate this idea that Chinese and Japanese are interchangeable that Hollywood has. It's how we got a Chinese Storm Shadow ..... I was mad about the Chinese Storm Shadow...

Lee Byung-hun is South Korean.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #44 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:28:55 PM »
Still not Japanese though.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #45 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:30:55 PM »
I think casting Japanese actors would be ideal but I'd just be happy if they get Asian-American actors period.  Baby steps and all of that.  Basing it in Neo-Manhattan or whatever makes this feasible.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #46 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:32:29 PM »
That Neo-Manhattan shit is bugging me too.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #47 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:36:06 PM »
Yeah, but there's no way Hollyweird is capable of making a film in Neo-Tokyo.  I think they could pull off a Neo-Manhattan one without it being a complete dungpile.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #48 on: Apr 04, 2011, 12:45:07 PM »
Oh it's going to be a dungpile no matter what. And I didn't expect them to stick faithfully to the Magna, that thing is long as hell. But I'd just like to not be completely alienated by this film. Oh well, here is hoping it never actually gets made like the new MOTU movie.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #49 on: Apr 04, 2011, 03:55:44 PM »
Dude, it's getting made.

And there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.

Starring Carrot Top.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #50 on: Apr 05, 2011, 12:42:32 AM »
Well I'm sure when word gets around that I am boycotting this movie they'll stop production. It is only fair to me.
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #51 on: Apr 05, 2011, 12:43:41 AM »
That's what I thought about G.I.Joe.  And Tang-formers II.  Good luck with that, buddy.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #52 on: Apr 05, 2011, 01:22:05 AM »
G.I. Joe is not a terrible movie. Well, it is, but it's one of those so bad it's good, guilty pleasure things. The Transformers movies are just plain bad. I can't wait for the sequel where they're sure to go apeshit with crazy Cobra operatives.

What they should have done from the beginning is combined both franchises into one movie, which has happened several times throughout comic book history. That way they could have avoided all the superfluous military characters that take up so much screen time in the TF flicks.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #53 on: Apr 05, 2011, 01:34:52 AM »
I can't even stomach G.I. Joe as a guilty pleasure...I actually think Joe was worse then the first TF movie, but not the 2nd. I'm betting the 3rd movie will top the 2nd in shear shitatuide though.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #54 on: Apr 05, 2011, 12:35:40 PM »
^ I agree with this.  I tried watching G.I. Joe and couldn't sit through it.  What a waste of Ray Park.  I was at least able to hold my food in for TF1.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #55 on: Apr 05, 2011, 03:40:47 PM »
A waste of Ray Park? Hahahahaha...

Have you never seen The King of Fighters?

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #56 on: Apr 05, 2011, 11:25:28 PM »
Nope but, judging by your tone, that wasted him, too.

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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #57 on: Apr 06, 2011, 03:09:40 PM »
A waste of Ray Park? Hahahahaha...

Have you never seen The King of Fighters?

I did over the weekend.  Such high production values for such a shitty movie.
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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #58 on: Apr 06, 2011, 11:30:52 PM »
Do you think that the minorities in japan are proportionally represented in japanese media?  or that that is fallacy of proportional representation is occurring anywhere?




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Re: Worse then The Last Airbender?
« Reply #59 on: Apr 06, 2011, 11:42:24 PM »
The people out here coudn't be more liberal and PC when it comes to race.  These "big wigs" or whoever are not racist.  If you're not a black female good luck getting a writing gig out here.  That was said in not so many word to a white male friend of mine. They do what they do because they know what sells and what doesn't.  Is there even a chick who can open a movie these days?  Or is it still/was only Julia Roberts?

I'm sure there has been tons of research about people responding to what is most familiar to them in the media.  But I don't feel like looking it up.