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General Garbage => Tropical Paradise of Hard Shelled Fruits => Topic started by: Derrick on Aug 29, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html
(CNN) -- Sen. John McCain has picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, a senior McCain campaign official told CNN on Friday.
She catapulted to the post with a strong reputation as a political outsider, forged during her stint in local politics. She was mayor and a council member of the small town of Wasila and was chairman of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's oil and gas resources, in 2003 and 2004.
The conservative Palin defeated two so-called political insiders to win the governor's job -- incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the GOP primary and former two-term Democratic Gov. Tony Knowles in the 2006 general election. iReport.com: What do you think of McCain's VP pick?
Palin made her name in part by backing tough ethical standards for politicians. During the first legislative session after her election, her administration passed a state ethics law overhaul.
Palin's term has not been without controversy. A legislative investigation is looking into allegations that Palin fired Alaska's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire the governor's former brother-in-law, a state trooper.
Yeah, I'd do her dirty, conservative ass. Mmmm.
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Definate MILF.
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HOLY SHIT. :o
Okay, Obama's lost. :laugh: Man, this election would've been epic if Hillary had won the damn nomination.
Analysts say she may have been chosen by the McCain campaign as a tactic to win over Democratic women voters, disappointed by the defeat of Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama.
Well, yeah. As someone who is completely turned off by the Obamas, I know they made me pay attention again. Whether or not I vote Rep is something else but I have to say, that staged roll call by the Dems only made me angrier.
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Tom, Hillary just called and says she's no longer your cougar, you two-timing beyotch. :razz:
Yeah, I'm familiar with Palin. She should know my name as well, considering all the letters I wrote about banning aerial hunting of wolves. Apparently, H.R. 3663 got stuffed up her twat somewhere along the line, so she didn't have time to deal with it. If someone wants to hunt a wild animal, get yer mother-fucking pants-pissing nelly ass on the ground and FACE IT! Noooo, they might sweat on their designer hunting gear while they're chasing a 90-lb. animal in a 1000+ lb. metal machine to shoot it in the bowels/bladder and let it bleed to death so the pelt won't be ruined. If I could get ahold of people like this, the Saw movie franchise would be calling me for ideas. :stabface:
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Ugh, yeah, I was reading about her and came across the wolf-thing as well. Boo hiss.
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I'm simply judging her on looks, I could care less if she was president or vp. Hill-dawg remains my love. I'm hoping for Hillary '12.
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and i'm hoping for chicago 2016.
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I'm afraid that women are going to vote for in hopes that McCain will croak mid-term and she'll become president. Oh hey, John McCain has to be president first! It's such a smart move that it pisses me off. He knew that if he picked some old white-haired Conservative who's been in Washington as long as he has, then nobody would vote for him.
I have faith in Hillary supporters staying true to their Democratic roots. Palin is very conservative and pro-life, unlike Hillary.
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Somehow I don't see aerial wolf hunting as a make-or-break political issue for the overwhelming majority of voters.
I'm thinking the focus right now is on Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty or Alaska governor Sarah Palin.
Man, I'm good. Now if they'll find a good presidential candidate, I might be inclined to vote Republican this cycle! But this selection is what you call savvy politics. It addresses the need to play to the conservative base, as well as court the portion of the female vote and Hillary supporters that feel disenfranchised by the outcome of the Democratic primaries and convention.
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This makes voting McCain all the more enticing! If she shows her boobs I will guarantee there will be no hanging chads in FL.
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McCane played this well. He's also a moron.
He's losing to a young, idealistic, inexperienced man who's the first black presidental canidate, one that has roots with the working class, plus he knows that there's lots of women who wanted to vote for Hillary but are uncertain about Obama, so what does he do? He picks a young, idealistic, inexperienced woman, who's the first woman to run Veep, and has roots with the working class (her husband). She's like the white female Republican version of Obama.
So I'd be saying that McCane picked his running mate well. But there's one problem. He tried to go a little too far in outdoing Obama, and picked someone with even less experience than he has! What kind of foreign policy do you have to worry about in the backwoods of Alaska? Russian tartars crossing over the Bering Strait? A missile defense shield across the coast?
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But she's a woman! Women are known for being remarkably smart and foreign diplomats love to be sold/pitched to by a chick! That's why they're making more money these days! Make sure to hike up her skirt and show some cleavage before we trot her out to be ogled and slyly push our policies.
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What are you talking about, women's intutition trumps foreign policy experience any day 8)
As for foreign policy experience, I keep hearing this, but I don't see why it matters. Obama doesn't have it, either, and he's the actual presidential nominee, and her experience trumps his every which way. Her two years of executive experience trumps his zero years of the same. His national presence has been nearly as non-existent as hers, with most of his time in the Senate having been invested in his run for president. He has authoried no major pieces of legislation, or anything else of substance that I'm aware of. And her being governor of a state nearer to foreign nations such as Canada than the continuous United States gives her more foreign policy experience, to boot.
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group.
Considering McCain's opinion of lobbyists, politics really does make strange bedfellows. :raiseeyebrow:
Best quote so far from a friend I had lunch with; an ardent Hillary supporter: "No thanks, McCain - I don't play Musical Va-jay-jays..." :laugh:
Just judging from opinions close to home, the McCain people had best tread carefully with the Palin daughter's pregnancy. The response from McCain's camp that this was something that usually happened to American families was the last straw for at least 4 staunch Republicans - my sister, brother-in-law, nephew & his wife, whose response was "Oh, really? Not in THIS American family!" 4 votes lost!
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She's still hot.
Though from a now neutral political observer, I see this. Obama picked Biden to make up the votes in working class. McCain picked Palin to hype up the evangelical base.
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group.
Considering McCain's opinion of lobbyists, politics really does make strange bedfellows. :raiseeyebrow:
Best quote so far from a friend I had lunch with; an ardent Hillary supporter: "No thanks, McCain - I don't play Musical Va-jay-jays..." :laugh:
Just judging from opinions close to home, the McCain people had best tread carefully with the Palin daughter's pregnancy. The response from McCain's camp that this was something that usually happened to American families was the last straw for at least 4 staunch Republicans - my sister, brother-in-law, nephew & his wife, whose response was "Oh, really? Not in THIS American family!" 4 votes lost!
I find it funny that she supports Abstinence Only programs... Hmmm.... someone must have skipped that class.
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Some people have to learn the hard way, but at least she's not shirking the responsibility of it.
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Best assessment I've found so far from a blog:
They know they aren't going to win this year. They're keeping the powder dry for 2012. Throw McCan't out there and let him get torn to shreds. Don't waste your time throwing Pawlenty out there to get McCan't's loser juice on him. Throw some nutbag out (for VP). When she gets eaten alive, you haven't lost one of your real stars and it will just energize the base.
Yahoo News headline is interesting:
Romney readies for White House run if McCain fails
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Glad her daughter doesn't have to worry about a place to live....Covenant House in Houston is one of the organizations we support. I don't like this at all.
ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.
After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.
According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."
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This bitch has been running rampant up in the middle of nowhere for sometime now. Why couldn't they pick someone that isn't so unnerving.
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ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.
Slash? Really?
$3.9 million is three times what the charity received the year before, up from $1.3 million in 2007. It received $3 million in total revenue in 2007, so it's not like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel...instead, they just doubled their income for this year thanks to Alaska, a state that actually has a balanced budget.
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This bitch has been running rampant up in the middle of nowhere for sometime now. Why couldn't they pick someone that isn't so unnerving.
Newt was on the daily show. She's the perfect anti-Obama defense. Any time her inexperience is brought up they can respond with Obama's inexperience and counter with what Rodentia just said. She may be new, but she hasn't fucked up much.
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Courtesy of 4chan and there is a nude shot on there that is supposedly here is well.
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For some reason I believe she did those shady firings (that brother in law thing and was there one other one?). I also believe she at one point supported the bridge to no where even though she later denied it. I can't tell you why I believe these things I just have a hunch, and it until these things are proven 100% to not be true I find her unsettling.
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Courtesy of 4chan and there is a nude shot on there that is supposedly here is well.
God bless America.
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does it really have to be an "america" bikini? it's like the flag lapel pin, but so much worse.
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In the interest of family harmony, I did not tune in last night as Eddie said that if that "wolf-torturing cunt" was on, he would go to the neighborhood pub. Since the C-word is not a frequent one in his vocabulary and I was a bit shocked, I'll have to read about it in the paper. He said she reminded him of the lizard woman who unhinged her jaw and ate the rat in the V miniseries. :laugh:
$3.9 million is three times what the charity received the year before, up from $1.3 million in 2007.
Yes, and the cost of living in Anchorage is approximately 23% higher that the rest of the nation, according to the ACCRA Index, so a 20% cut there is really felt. Plus one can't exactly sleep outside for 9 months of the year in Alaska as is possible in Houston (if you don't mind the giant roaches). There isn't a day when Covenant House doesn't have kids curled up asleep in the doorway. And really, you can't expect me not to be sensitive to any cuts for a program I send money to. :-\
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does it really have to be an "america" bikini? it's like the flag lapel pin, but so much worse.
Are you gay? How did you see the bikini?
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You do know that when you screw up and call Kari "Sarah" that you won't get any for a looooooooooooong time, right? :joe:
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That wolf hunting shit pisses me off. I didn't think it was possible to make me consider voting for obama, but this lady has done it.
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You do know that when you screw up and call Kari "Sarah" that you won't get any for a looooooooooooong time, right? :joe:
How could I confuse them? Sure, Kary is a bruenette with glasses and a love for firearms... but she loves animals and never would kill them. That, and we're both far more liberal than Obama is, so Palin is nothing but soon-2-be-GMILF eyecandy for me :D
Katey Sagal on last night's new show Son's of Anarchy, mmmm. This thread is now about delicious MILFS and GMILFS. Helen Mirin, Marissa Tomei, and Susan Sarandon.
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How 'bout Mariska Hartgitay? Google her name and chell that first picture. ;D
Just for the record, Helen Mirren and her red bikini ain't no M or GMILF. She's as adamantly CF as I am, if not more so.
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That wolf hunting shit pisses me off. I didn't think it was possible to make me consider voting for obama, but this lady has done it.
Yeah, the more I hear about her, the more I find myself pushed to the Obama camp. Bleh.
I find it funny that she supports Abstinence Only programs... Hmmm.... someone must have skipped that class.
Yeah, hilarious. That she can't teach her own little tramp how to shut her legs but she wants to foist it on others really annoys me.
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Only adds to the mountain of proof that Abstinence Only classes don't work. :fingershake: ZOMG If they know about condoms they might USE them!
Also, it's amazing how conservatives shun teenage mothers but are praising Palin and her family for making the "right decisions" in keeping the baby and making her marry her boyfriend.
But enough about pregnant teens. Did anyone notice that Cindy McCain's face had considerably fewer wrinkles tonight than in the pictures of her in the tribute to her?
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Mistresses promoted to wives ain't fools. Once she saw who Johnny Boy who would be around for 16 hours a day, she was probably at the derm's for Botox STAT. Not saying that John would get anywhere with Caribou Barbie, but remember, appetite is stimulated by sight & smell, not taste. That's why the bakery and the pretty produce displays are close to the front in most grocery stores.
Word is that Kay Bailey Hutchison is pretty pissed that McCain didn't even call her. If he had been serious about an effective female VP, not just window-dressing and a neener-neener point about experience, we'd have see her or Olympia Snowe on the ticket. I'm an Independent - I would have no problem with either of them. Both are extremely smart women who know how to play in the big boy league, but they don't have a very high glam factor.
Back to preg teens for just a second - anyone read babydaddy's MySpace profile? Self-described redneck who doesn't want kids and apparently dropped out of high school as well. Yeah, way to have high ambitions for your daughter, Sarah. :nono: I really feel sorry for that kid - Mom has totally thrown her under the bus.
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In the interest of family harmony, I did not tune in last night as Eddie said that if that "wolf-torturing cunt" was on, he would go to the neighborhood pub. Since the C-word is not a frequent one in his vocabulary and I was a bit shocked, I'll have to read about it in the paper.
Yet Eddie has no problem listening to a man who opposed a law stating that abortionists couldn't abandon a failed abortion (re: a born child) to die? Are wolves more important than a human child who's been born?
$3.9 million is three times what the charity received the year before, up from $1.3 million in 2007.
Yes, and the cost of living in Anchorage is approximately 23% higher that the rest of the nation, according to the ACCRA Index, so a 20% cut there is really felt. Plus one can't exactly sleep outside for 9 months of the year in Alaska as is possible in Houston (if you don't mind the giant roaches). There isn't a day when Covenant House doesn't have kids curled up asleep in the doorway. And really, you can't expect me not to be sensitive to any cuts for a program I send money to. :-\
IT'S NOT A CUT, IT'S NOT A CUT, IT'S NOT A CUT! $5M WAS NEVER GIVEN TO THE CHARITY! IT WENT FROM $1.3M IN 2007 TO $3.9M IN 2008! $3.9M / $1.3M = 3! 300% IS BIGGER THAN 20%!
As for abstinence only programs, I don't see what good sex-ed programs are, anyway. Kids know about sex...why do you have to have a "program" to tell them about the risks, how to avert risk to a degree, and that abstinence is the only sure way to avoid them?
The reason he went with Palin over Hutch and Snowe is that they are not conservatives, and that's the group he was aiming at with the VP pick (it didn't work with me, though).
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Yikes! It was what they based their budget on because they had no reason to think that what had been earmarked wouldn't be there! Personally, I don't count my raise untill it's in the bank, but I don't run a non-profit and forecast my operating budget 16-18 months in advance! This is how they determine what goals to project for fund-raising, hiring vs. volunteers, expansion possiblities, programs they can offer, et al. I'm sorry that business finance works differently than putting an allowance in a piggy bank. Dry explanation follows: :keelover:
The phrase "income contingent" might be familiar to some as it's now an option for school loans based on projected ability to pay it back - briefly, on any business line item analysis (listing of all current/projected assets & liabilities), contingent income is figured as income expected for the next month, year, 5 years, whatever. For example, ours is partially figured on revenue from current policies in force. We can't predict who is going to go to a competitor, die, what claims will occur to offset profit or anything in the future, but we have to make some sort of budget on what we have reason to believe is expected. Not received - expected. From that analysis, sales and retention figures are projected and goals are set. If contingent income is disrupted, it's seen as a "cut". If anyone can figure out another way a business can operate in this century, please share. Or market the method on 2 AM cable. :happy:
Yet Eddie has no problem listening to a man who opposed a law stating that abortionists couldn't abandon a failed abortion (re: a born child) to die? Are wolves more important than a human child who's been born?
Hmmmm...I don't remember ever mentioning that Eddie had listened to any speeches or who he planned to vote for or what his opinion of abortion was. You'll have to refresh me. How do you know he's not stumping for Bob Barr? :guitar:
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Yet Eddie has no problem listening to a man who opposed a law stating that abortionists couldn't abandon a failed abortion (re: a born child) to die? Are wolves more important than a human child who's been born?
What about fictional wolves? Are their fake lives worth that of a human baby?! Whose campaigning for these fantasy canines?! Someone needs to step up to the plate!
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And what about Werewolves....they are wolves and human beings!
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As for abstinence only programs, I don't see what good sex-ed programs are, anyway. Kids know about sex...why do you have to have a "program" to tell them about the risks, how to avert risk to a degree, and that abstinence is the only sure way to avoid them?
So you'd rather kids just watch TV and learn about sex that way? You don't see people on TV stopping to pull a condom out of the drawer while they're ripping each other's clothes off. You don't see the girl stop and say, "It's cool, I'm on the pill." Or they could learn from their friends in the cafeteria that tell them that pulling out is a fail-proof method. Kids have all the WRONG ideas about sex and they need someone in a trusted and respected position (IE TEACHER OR PARENT [but parents don't want that responsibility so they push it on teachers and TV]) to dispel rumors. Teenagers are horny motherfuckers, they're going to have sex. Honestly, I'd rather reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies rather than increase abortions or children in bad situations. And that can be accomplished by... EDUCATION!! :happy: :stickdance:
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And what about Werewolves....they are wolves and human beings!
:lmao:
The reason he went with Palin over Hutch and Snowe is that they are not conservatives, and that's the group he was aiming at with the VP pick (it didn't work with me, though).
Question: Was that smart or not? I'm still not sure yet and you seem to know more about this subject than I do.
So you'd rather kids just watch TV and learn about sex that way? You don't see people on TV stopping to pull a condom out of the drawer while they're ripping each other's clothes off. You don't see the girl stop and say, "It's cool, I'm on the pill." Or they could learn from their friends in the cafeteria that tell them that pulling out is a fail-proof method. Kids have all the WRONG ideas about sex and they need someone in a trusted and respected position (IE TEACHER OR PARENT [but parents don't want that responsibility so they push it on teachers and TV]) to dispel rumors. Teenagers are horny motherfuckers, they're going to have sex. Honestly, I'd rather reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies rather than increase abortions or children in bad situations. And that can be accomplished by... EDUCATION!! :happy: :stickdance:
QFT. My parents never talked to me about sex. EVER. I NEVER "knew about sex" as kid. I had the extreme misfortune of walking in on my parents in flagrante delicto when I was about eight years old but, still, no one ever talked about it. I consider myself lucky I had little interest in actually having it to begin with. I'm fairly certain a large number of my relatives also missed "the talk" and got TV to show them instead, especially since a load of them had cable and parents too drunk to bother screening what their kids would watch.
In an ideal world, a parent would have the talk and be open for further discussion. Kids need to be told by someone who actually has a inkling of what they're talking about because a lot of parents aren't doing their job. It should be at least an educational elective, just like general financial planning should be. I've met kids who don't know how a bank account works or how a credit card works or how a lease operates let alone their own bodies. There's a lot about our world that kids (and adults for that matter) don't know that society thinks they just should (and then treats them like morons for asking). If parents drop the ball and want to claim that "it takes a village to raise a child", then the village should step up and at least offer some fucking education on the subject instead of being so fucking bashful and saying "don't do it all". It'd be different if the aim were to raise monks and nuns, but society will want them to have sex eventually so WTF.
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In sovIDE Russia, Parents have the misfortune of walking in on you!
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I think CNN might want to watch who they assign on interviews:
"Governor Palin, I'm Wolf Blitzer and...."
"WOLF??!!!!!"
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Just read this, and it's beautiful....
Now whatever anyone thinks of Obama, he ain't stupid. Plus I know Hil's expressions - he's talked to her about her future if he gets elected, and she likes what he's said. As Eddie put it "It's not going to be my staying home in November pouting that denies her a Cabinet position!" And unless the President dies, VP is really window-dressing and attending funerals. She deserves, and will get better.
But holy crap....can you imagine Hil wiping the floor with Sarah in a VP debate? There wouldn't be a dry seat in the house.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07dowd.html?em (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07dowd.html?em)
And BTW, "Sarah Barracuda" - Heart says quit using their song or get ready to spend some time with their attorney. :finger:
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As for abstinence only programs, I don't see what good sex-ed programs are, anyway. Kids know about sex...why do you have to have a "program" to tell them about the risks, how to avert risk to a degree, and that abstinence is the only sure way to avoid them?
So you'd rather kids just watch TV and learn about sex that way?
No. I don't see why you need multi-million dollar programs for something that can be effectively explained in classes like Health, A&P, and Home Ec.
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As for abstinence only programs, I don't see what good sex-ed programs are, anyway. Kids know about sex...why do you have to have a "program" to tell them about the risks, how to avert risk to a degree, and that abstinence is the only sure way to avoid them?
So you'd rather kids just watch TV and learn about sex that way?
No. I don't see why you need multi-million dollar programs for something that can be effectively explained in classes like Health, A&P, and Home Ec.
That's perfectly fine, that's where I learned a lot of information. I never said that there should be a separate class for it
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Sex Ed. Class, Sam's 5 minute run-down.
Members of the Animal Kingdom generally reproduce sexually, with the male's sperm uniting with the female's egg to produce a new genetically unique organism. With humans, this happens when a man inserts his penis into the woman's vagina. Now besides creating babies, this can also transfer diseases between the two people. Some of these diseases are very bad and can kill you. The diseases can be spread with any kind of sex, any kind of contact with the genitals. Your chances of transmitting a disease increase the more people you have sex with. Contraceptives like condoms can help stop the spread of these diseases and stop pregnancies, but they're not fool proof and can fail. If you don't have sex, you won't get pregnant or get any diseases. Ok? Got it?
Good. Everyone take out your math books and turn to page 85. Pass your homework assignment from last night to the person in front of you...
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My friend related the story at lunch of giving her son "the talk" at 14 and using a cucumber to demonstrate how to put a condom on. She laughs about it now, but points out that she has no unplanned grandkids so far.
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I thought you might find this interesting, Bernie. My professor, the biggest Obamafag of them all, noted this in class yesterday and expressed real doubt over Obama's chances now that Palin is in.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/alexander-cockburn/one-cheer-for-sarah-palin.html
One Cheer for Sarah Palin
Sure, we know. She's a wolf killer, bear hunter, would-be driller in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She backs the Pebble Creek gold mine, scheduled as the world's largest, right next to the salmon-rich bay after which she and Todd named their second daughter. She tried to get her former brother-in-law bounced from his job as a cop. Nobody's perfect. After all, she was only runner-up in the Miss Alaska competition in '86.
But the liberal attacks on Palin are absurd to the point of lunacy.
Experience. Given the highly experienced maniacs who have been destroying this country decade after decade, one would have thought that the E word would be an immediate disqualification.
At its best, American populism is irreverent to powet and never more bracing than when suggesting that one of the regular, ordinary folks could do it better. That's the constituency in Alaska that responded to Palin and that put her in the governor's mansion. Liberals who don't follow Alaska politics probably don't understand the extent of her achievement. Only Louisiana, another oil rich state, outstrips Alaska in luxuriant corruption, and for years, it was run by Ted Stevens, Frank Murkowski and Don Young. Palin outmaneuvered them all in four years, which took courage and cunning. She took down the great powet in her own party, Gov. Murkowski.
This trio were themselves in the pockets of the oil companies, who were not happy to see them go. Palin, while an ardent supporter of drilling, has taken a more populist approach, for the first time levying a state tax on oil industry profits and returning this in rebates to Alaska residents. To put it mildly, this is unusual in American politics, and you have to go back to the southern populists and indeed to Louisiana and Huey Long to find precedents.
Barack Obama apparently took notice of what Palin was doing as governor of Alaska. His energy plan lifts three central elements from her program: a windfall profits' tax on the oil companies, an energy rebate tax, and the development of a transcontinental natural gas pipeline from Prudhoe Bay across Canada to the Midwest.
Palin publicly praised Obama for his plan, though the story in the Alaska Daily News about this endorsement has since been removed from her Web site for obvious reasons.
Much of the venom against Palin is clearly class-based. Sarah and her husband, Todd — a quarter Yu'pik — are working class. So, from the elites, we get endless sermons on the theme that somehow McCain's choice is "an insult" to American women, particularly feminists. Why wasn't the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, the most endlessly submissive and humiliated wife in the nation's political history — at least on the public record — derided as "an insult" to feminist aspirations?
Actually, Todd seems to us a sign that things have moved on from the gloomy portrait of the American working class male offered us by Susan Faludi. Faludi's blue-collar, backlashing male lived in rage and anguish at his lost estate as breadwinner and lord of the hearth. We don't detect signs of this kind of angst from Todd, a member of the steelworkers' union who seems at ease as a supportive husband and, more importantly, father.
If she makes it to the vice president's office, Sarah Palin will no doubt shake things up. Liberals gasp with rage that she's had friendly relations with the Alaska Independence Party and put on a Buchanan button when he came to Anchorage. These are encouraging signs of independence, and hopefully of some reserve about the neocons.
Of course, the bottom line for liberals, particularly women, is her position on choice. Which is the image you prefer: a story that Sarah Palin aborted her baby once she was told of its Down syndrome, and counseled Bristol to abort her baby so as not to damage her political campaign? Or the course that Sarah Palin did take, consistent with her outlook on life and her beliefs?
So someone opposed to choice might become vice president. What about all the politicians nominally favoring choice who have made it virtually impossible since Roe vs. Wade for working women to have practical, effective choice? The liberals attack Palin for her position on sex education. But when Jocelyn Elders, Clinton's surgeon general, spoke publicly about the merits of masturbation and condoms, she was immediately fired. There are postures, and there are principled positions. We prefer the latter.
Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St Clair edit the Web site and newsletter CounterPunch.
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Dude's name is "Cockburn"? That's amusing. It makes me giggle.
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I'll think about all that shit when I'm not in a boarded-up house with acorns already hitting the roof like Uzi fire. :-\
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I have some doubts about the website where Tom got that article, not knowing if it leans a certain way or is moderate or neutral.
Also, Tom, stop leg humping Palin. Good Looks <> Good in office
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Which is the image you prefer: a story that Sarah Palin aborted her baby once she was told of its Down syndrome, and counseled Bristol to abort her baby so as not to damage her political campaign? Or the course that Sarah Palin did take, consistent with her outlook on life and her beliefs?
I hate when they do this. Someone shove a used sock down their throats.
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Mmmm, delicious Palin. Seriously, I'd never vote for her... but I'd hit it right so the resulting baby wouldn't be a chromasome shy.
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Dude! :lmao:
Did anyone see the SNL skit with Tina Fey as Palin and Amy Poehler as Clinton? Palin's the politician Tina Fey was made to play.
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Heard it wasn't funny, and Obama skipped out of showing up.
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If it wasn't funny then it's about par for the course for SNL these days.
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Yeah... we're in the Chris Elliot/Janinine Garafolo years again. Soon a brand-new cast will take over and redefine cool. I await that day.
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Heard it wasn't funny, and Obama skipped out of showing up.
It was hilarious!
I read that Obama skipped out because of something to do with Hurricane Ike.
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It was chuckle-worthy... which is pretty darn good when you consider the rest of the show. I didn't know Obama was going to show up. They should've just invited Tim Meadows back to play Obama.
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They couldn't get him off the set of Ladies' Man 2.
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I read that Obama skipped out because of something to do with Hurricane Ike.
Or they wouldn't let him use the teleprompter... >.>
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Later during that show they had some skit with Michael Phelps and Amy Poehler at a resturant, and the waiter was wearing a Sanosuke shirt. What was up with that?
Edit: I found a video of the guy with the Kenshin shirt. The skit's at the very end of this video, after the Space Olympics song that reminds me of Daft Punk and Eiffel 65 for some reason.
(http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDI4MTQ0MzI=.html)
The T-mobile skit is kinda funny too. "What would you know about SEXY?!"
And because this was originally a thread about Palin, here's my reasons why she's not hot.
1) She's older than my mother for christ sake!
2) The pictures of her in a flag bikini? Photoshooped. I can tell by the pixels and after seeing a few shoops.
3) She probably has stretch marks and flab under that leisure suit. You don't know!
4) The 60's called. They want that hairstyle back.
5) They also want the glasses back.
6) Anyone who would vote for someone because they think she's hot needs to be shot.
7) Anyone who votes for her because they're a woman and she's a woman needs to be shot too.
8) MILF is Venessa Williams and Michelle Pfeiffer. MILF is like Jamie Lee Kurtis doing the striptease for Aahhnold in True Lies. Palin doesn't even come close.
9) Guns don't automatically make a woman hot.
10) Profit???
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1) She's older than my mother for christ sake!
2) The pictures of her in a flag bikini? Photoshooped. I can tell by the pixels and after seeing a few shoops.
3) She probably has stretch marks and flab under that leisure suit. You don't know!
4) The 60's called. They want that hairstyle back.
5) They also want the glasses back.
6) Anyone who would vote for someone because they think she's hot needs to be shot.
7) Anyone who votes for her because they're a woman and she's a woman needs to be shot too.
MILF is Venessa Williams and Michelle Pfeiffer. MILF is like Jamie Lee Kurtis doing the striptease for Aahhnold in True Lies. Palin doesn't even come close.
9) Guns don't automatically make a woman hot.
10) Profit???
1) So? Women age like wine.
2) Didn't stop me from jacking it.
3) She could also have tight abs and amazing breasts. Don't be so pessimistic.
4) It works on her, I just want her to take it down while just jiggling it out.
5) Fuck you, glasses on women are hot.
6) Then maybe you should talk to the Obamaites and Bushies who do the same thing. Americans are retarded.
7) I doubt real women will ever do that considering she's batshit crazy.
8) Get me some video of her doing the striptease and we'll talk. Otherwise, you can't compare.
9) Fuck you.
10) Jesus christ.
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What? Women don't age like wine. Men do. We get cool gray streaks on the sides of our hair. Women get tossed out for a newer model.
Those glasses and hair are hot though. I knew that tina fey thing would happen at least a week before it did.
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Or they wouldn't let him use the teleprompter... >.>
Well, judging from a couple of his skits, they let Michael Phelps. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, assume he's getting a lot of "8 Gold Medals, baby" ass and that was the reason why he sucked and stuttered all over the place.
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Women get tossed out for a newer model.
That's what I did with husbands. ;D
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Tom, I swear if ye vote fer Palin jus' on accoun' o' ye think she's a hot wench I'll drive down thar an' make ye walk 't plank!
First ye're humpin' Senator Clinton's leg an' droolin' all o'er th' lass', but now that Obama's in t' captain's chair, now ye're humpin' Palin's leg.
Be Kary nay puttin' ou', or do ye be havin' some kind o' sea sick fetish fer ugly old wenches?
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Did I say I would ever vote for her? Plowing =/= voting.
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Neither Palin nor Hillary are even close to being hot.
Now if you were to say someone like Ann Coulter, even though she's a horrendous bitch, I'd agree with you.
I'd even say Michigan's Governer Granholm is hotter than either of them. She has a mole on her cheek that adds +5 attractiveness.
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Neither Palin nor Hillary are even close to being hot.
Now if you were to say someone like Ann Coulter, even though she's a horrendous bitch, I'd agree with you.
I'd even say Michigan's Governer Granholm is hotter than either of them. She has a mole on her cheek that adds +5 attractiveness.
Palin looks like a woman. Ann Coulter has a fucking adams apple and man hands. Are you sure you're not gay?
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I thought we all just assumed he was. :poo: I went and googled that guv he was talking about. FTW? She's not ugly or nothin' but hot?
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I'd hit it...with a 2x4.
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I was just saying that as a comparison. I don't find a single politician hot. Clinton's a hag. Palin's not that attractive and is too old. I've heard Granholm called hot (by who I forget), I find her not that great either.
And because I know it's coming, it's not because none of them are under 18.
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Palin > Above Governor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coulter
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And because I know it's coming, it's not because none of them are under 18.
Oh? Well I beg to differ.
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Ann Coulter? The bastard trannie child of Malibu Barbie & Skeletor? :puke:
Olympia Snowe had that hot tempestuous Meddie thing going on back in her day. Managed to have a long political career in spite of her looks.
In going through my ruined baby book, I found a calendar page. I was due the same day Obama was born. :laugh: In related news, Alan Cumming has applied for U.S. citizenship ASAP in order to vote for Obama in November. That's devotion.
'Twill be interesting, regardless. Hey, did anyone notice that the entire US financial system almost collapsed last week? 8) I'm thinking about working my AIG stock certificate into a Halloween costume somehow.
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Ann Coulter? The bastard trannie child of Malibu Barbie & Skeletor? :puke:
Olympia Snowe had that hot tempestuous Meddie thing going on back in her day. Managed to have a long political career in spite of her looks.
In going through my ruined baby book, I found a calendar page. I was due the same day Obama was born. :laugh: In related news, Alan Cumming has applied for U.S. citizenship ASAP in order to vote for Obama in November. That's devotion.
'Twill be interesting, regardless. Hey, did anyone notice that the entire US financial system almost collapsed last week? 8) I'm thinking about working my AIG stock certificate into a Halloween costume somehow.
Considering Obama's (not to mention many of the Dem's) abyssmal record on gay rights and overall connection to religious groups that quietly promote 'fagdrags'... I don't get it. Maybe it's because I am a post-Dem now.
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Dunno. Lesser of two evils? My brother and his partner don't even go to the Pride parade anymore. They feel that the best way to promote equality for gays is to behave equally; i.e. openly worry about family, retirement, how the yard looks and all the other boring stuff everyone else does. "Wow - they're just like US!" *dingdingding*
Similarly, people wonder why Eddie & I work for companies constantly jumping mouth agape on the gilded Republican banana. We can work for these folk and have plenty of disposable income to give to our interest charities or work for people more in line with our philosphies and just have enough money to take care of ourselves - we think biting our tongues and doing the former is more productive.
Next time I have a naughty Alan Cumming dream, I'll try to remember to ask him about his political views. Going to sleep on Ambien when the sun goes down is giving me some.... unusual ones. :laugh:
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Ann Coulter? The bastard trannie child of Malibu Barbie & Skeletor? :puke:
Best thing I've read in a long time.
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It's going on my Quote generator!
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Saw this, thought it was relevant.
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If McCain wants to have a prayer of winning, he'd better show up tonight. Presidential debates are essentially job interviews in front of the millions of people the eventual winner will be answerable to. If you want the job, make the interview on time with your suit pressed and shoes shined.
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Didn't Bush lose both rounds of debates?
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2004 debates were pretty evenly split in many polls, oddly enough. That's not the same as just blowing one off entirely. Perception of who did better can be affected by something as trivial as who got the closer shave in opinion polls, but not showing up is not a good idea.
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I agree. If he doesn't show, then it's kinda like "OH. I guess you don't really waaaant the job then."
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The way I see it, McCain actually showed up for work, which is something Obama should try sometime. Campaigning for president is about the only notable thing Obama's done since getting into the Senate.
Bush held his own against both Kerry and Algore in all three debates with both, which surprised many since he's supposed to be a rank idiot compared to your average chair leg, let alone his opponents. In fact, the biggest thing that happened debatewise in my memory was that Bush was seen as the good guy by many after the way Gore went after him in their first debate, and that probably figured into the tightness of the race thereafter.
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Bush held his own against both Kerry and Algore in all three debates with both, which surprised many since he's supposed to be a rank idiot compared to your average chair leg, let alone his opponents.
Speech writers. You think those politicians actually write their own material during campains?
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Debates != speeches. While they can have their little soundbites (and if you saw that crummy debate last night, that's pretty much all it was), using them critically is key to success. Bill Clinton was an expert at this, but it's why Reagan was known as the Great Communicator, since he was actively involved in the composition of his speeches. Which is why that Wednesday night thing that BBC used to air with the Prime Minister getting grilled in Parliament was so interesting to watch. The whole thing was a Q&A with lots of information being thrown about complete with a healthy compliment of zingers. I gained a whole new respect for Tony Blair after watching him run that gauntlet.
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Like Momma like Daughter.
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Whatever happened to a official politics thread?
So now Voting for Obama means voting for a terrorist and a Muslim. Because we all know Muslims are all terrorists.
And Joe the Plumber? He's a fake too, according to a local Ohio newspaper.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418
"Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one.
A chell of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name.
Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.
According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license.
Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. [either that, or he's doing plumbing illegally without a license]
Mr. Wurzelbacher said he objects to Mr. Obama’s plans to raise income taxes on incomes above $250,000. He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr. Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006.
I don't see how someone working as a plumber could make $250k a year by themselves.
Also, according to him, socialism is evil. Awesome.
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So now Voting for Obama means voting for a terrorist and a Muslim. Because we all know Muslims are all terrorists.
No, just the ones who actually emulate the prophet rather than pay him lip service.
And Joe the Plumber? He's a fake too, according to a local Ohio newspaper.
The moral of this story is that you'd better have your shit together before you question the sapience of the Barak of Obama. Too bad they don't vet the likes of Bill Ayers in this fashion.
I don't see how someone working as a plumber could make $250k a year by themselves.
Never paid for plumbing service, eh? :P Besides, he didn't say he made $250K, just that the business he hoped to own will, and thus he would have been thrust into Obama's magic bracket. But now that he's been found out, not only will he not buy out the business, but he's out of work, period.
Also, according to him, socialism is evil. Awesome.
According to me, it is indeed evil. It also isn't how you strengthen an economy.
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I'm sure Joe will get his plumbing license and avenge this besmirching of his character.
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That Bill Ayes nonsense is getting childish. Ronald Reagan certainly had a closer relationship with Sidney "The Fixer" Korshak than working with him on an educational project, but I doubt he was stupid enough to call the mouthpiece of the Chicago Mafia for national policy advice. Considering I was with a Republican atheist night and day for over 11 years, I really don't put too much credence in the influence of unwise past associations.
Were I a Republican advisor, I would tell the GOP to quite throwing good money after bad and channel any last-minute McCain/Palin campaign blizt funds into keeping Senate seats.
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And now that I have a few moments, let's talk about old Joe, the erstwhile plumber. From what I've read, he can't seem to decide if this venture will earn him $250K in income, or if the business will be worth that. If the latter, his personal income may not be $250K, unless his partner is independently wealthy and working just for fun, kind of like Marie Antoinette dressing like a peasant and milking cows.
If the business is worth $250K, is he projecting that to be the value after his deductions? Let's look at a short list of what a small business can deduct:
Business Vehicle - I assume he isn't going to tote tools in a backpack and ride the bus
Start-Up Costs - capital expense - $5000 the first year.
Education expenses - any class or seminar related to one's trade
Legal or professional fees - will it be an inc. or LP? An S corporation? Better call your attorney!
New Equipment - can be done in year purchased or phased over several years.
Taxes - employment taxes (not if filing as self-employed, but this is countered by deducting health insurance premiums) & real estate taxes on property used for business, to name a couple
Advertising & promotion - no , he doesn't get to count his free time on TV
Office supplies & furniture - furniture is 100% deductible this year
Interest - interest & carrying costs for business purchases or personal loans related to the business.
Plus phone service, software & computer expenses, postage, business association dues (that will come in handy when he's licensed), casualty & theft losses and his subscription to Plumber's Monthly. Don't forget the coffee service.
Now, if he's talking about grossing $250K himself in personal income, all is still not lost. Is Joe single? Does he have any children under 25 or any dependent relatives for which he pays 50% of expenses? I believe I heard he had remarried, so let's look at that scenario and assume he has no dependents. In fact, let's give him a margin of error of about $10K because he's had a great year and a gross of $260K:
Filing jointly, he and his wife can take the standard $10,700 in deductions instead of struggling with itemizing (which could net an even bigger deduction). Shazaam! Joe is only looking at paying taxes on $249,300. Since Joe makes more than $117,300, he can't take the standard $6,800 for him and his wife and has to use the worksheet on Page 33 of the IRS booklet for line 42. This means he can only deduct $3,627 for the two of them, but even so, his taxable income is $245,673. Home free!
Joe wouldn't have his 15 minutes, but he might be breathing a little easier regarding his working future if he had walked into an H & R Block office.... :)
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Holy fuck do I ever wish the election were today. I hate being a battleground state. I can't turn on a tv or listen to the radio for five minutes without being inundated with political ads telling me what a horrible person John McCain is.
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Lucky - you can change channels. I'm tired of the weeding through the robot calls on CallNotes implying that a vote for McCain is saving the nation from Armageddon. ::) The perils of living in a Red state. :laugh:
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I'm tired of getting shit in the mail telling me both.
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I liked how in Family Guy the Nazi was wearing a McCain/Palin button.
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Actually, the Obama/Biden probably has more in common with the Nazis than the McCain/Palin ticket.
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Somehow I don't think anyone ever successfully accused Hitler of staying calm and rational under pressure.
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I mean more with policy... aside from the Jew killing (which everyone focuses on). FDR used Hitler-esque policies (manipulating the legislature, packing the courts, etc.) and the Obama/Biden ticket (also McCain Palin but I really don't care about them) will continue Bush's abuse of the executive office. The President is NOT the American king. He is a third of our powet, not 100%.
I'm buying a gun.
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Okay, I'll bite - what exactly has been said that makes you believe abuses will continue? Any in particular?
I have to give Obama credit for two things: not being a loose-cannon hothead and not being shy about asking and taking advice from older and wiser minds than his. That in itself is a 180.
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They both voted for amnesty for the wiretapping, really hasn't voted against Bush, the Democrats (Mainly the ones who supported him wholeheartedly) refused to impeach Bush and Cheney in 2007, Obama's advisors are deeply invested in maintaining current foriegn policy with regards to military actions and economics. The only thing I see Obama 'Changing' is allowing the Democrats to legislate in the house and 'trying' (I disagree with his advisor's tax policies) to fix the economy.
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I liked how in Family Guy the Nazi was wearing a McCain/Palin button.
Well that show is known for it's incredibly subtle and clever political and social satire.
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Not sure what real good trying to impeach Bush & Cheney would do this late in the game, as much as I'd like to see them tarred & feathered.
There is always election-year cowardice on the part of every candidate. I don't agree with it, but in the immunity situation, the AG can petition the judges overseeing the anti-warrantless wiretapping suit for dismissal of charges, and the provision can then be challenged as unconstitutional. Considering some of the other yea votes, I'm wondering if the revised agreement isn't simply in order to put off the fight to another day. No one is naive enough to think this will just disappear.
I think we're going to see a huge state of flux regarding most foreign policy on all fronts. Consider how the definition of "global economy" has changed, even since 1991. Problem with housing the biggest economic players in the world is how many other pies those fingers can spoil. What a candidate thinks and what a President does are often very different. I wouldn't be making any momentous foreign policy proclamations at present either, especially considering how the mere notion of sitting down and talking to people got him in hot water.
No, I don't think Obama is the Messiah or the perfect candidate. But I do think he has a better handle on the fine art of patient observation than the other choice. I've had quite enough of decisions fueled by rage and hot tempers.
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Not sure what real good trying to impeach Bush & Cheney would do this late in the game, as much as I'd like to see them tarred & feathered.
It had to do with executive priviledge. Bush and Cheney redefined how the President operatates and it directly contradicts the constitution. Had there been no strong Democratic canidate, the legislature would right now be impeaching them and setting precedent that this abuse of powet is unacceptable. They haven't, instead they're seduced and cannot wait to have Bush/Cheney's throne for their own personal use. I don't understand why Kucinich supported Obama.
There is always election-year cowardice on the part of every candidate. I don't agree with it, but in the immunity situation, the AG can petition the judges overseeing the anti-warrantless wiretapping suit for dismissal of charges, and the provision can then be challenged as unconstitutional. Considering some of the other yea votes, I'm wondering if the revised agreement isn't simply in order to put off the fight to another day. No one is naive enough to think this will just disappear.
It already has. Old shit is old. Any future hearings will be held in a basement.
I think we're going to see a huge state of flux regarding most foreign policy on all fronts. Consider how the definition of "global economy" has changed, even since 1991. Problem with housing the biggest economic players in the world is how many other pies those fingers can spoil. What a candidate thinks and what a President does are often very different. I wouldn't be making any momentous foreign policy proclamations at present either, especially considering how the mere notion of sitting down and talking to people got him in hot water.
And the President doesn't affect the economy, laws passed by the legislature do. Foriegn policy won't affect anything, so I don't understand how people can buy into either canidate professing their ability to 'change' when the real change will occur with laws. We have all these frickin lawyers for a reason, right!? >.< Fucking sheep.
No, I don't think Obama is the Messiah or the perfect candidate. But I do think he has a better handle on the fine art of patient observation than the other choice. I've had quite enough of decisions fueled by rage and hot tempers.
I disagree. The man right now with the most in common with John McCain is Barrack Obama. They're the same creature cut from the same cloth. When I see them, I see Jack Johnson and John Jackson from Futurama.
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I woke up with the greatest idea today. I'm gonna take my video camera and go down to the polls and tell both camps that whichever side shows me the most tits gets my vote.
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Had there been no strong Democratic canidate, the legislature would right now be impeaching them and setting precedent that this abuse of powet is unacceptable. They haven't, instead they're seduced and cannot wait to have Bush/Cheney's throne for their own personal use.
So Hillary shouldn't have run? Or is she in some different category? And do you really, really think she of all people would have been leading the charge for impeachment, considering how narrowly her husband escaped it and all the "who committed the worse abuse of office and public trust" bickering it would bring up? That's the last thing she would want any potential voters to be thinking about. Please.
....and the Obama/Biden ticket will continue Bush's abuse of the executive office.....Obama's advisors are deeply invested in maintaining current foriegn policy with regards to....economics.
And the President doesn't affect the economy, laws passed by the legislature do.
I'm afraid you're going to have to pick one or the other.
Any future hearings will be held in a basement.
Many ACLU gatherings have.
Look, I'm not any happier about the Hillary Bosnia sniper fire kerfluffle or anything else than you are. I was front & center for her in both the primary and the caucus (on a dislocated knee, might I add). I'm not going to change anyone's opinion. I just don't see panic as a strategic option for either November or my investments.
Personally, considering the political leanings of both Big Oil and Big Insurance, Eddie & I stand to profit more from a McCain/Palin victory (I did mention that both our firms have the same running joke, right? ""Republican' and 'raise' both begin with 'R'") - probably about $23K+ more next year, judging from past history and adjusting for percentages of current gross salaries. We can't do it. We can't participate in bringing about what most evidence we've seen shows to be another term of Bush policies. I really don't give a shit who thinks me the most ignorant idealist ever born. I can't do it.
Regardless, I will never take my ability to vote lightly. Read about Alice Paul and Lucy Burns sometime, or watch the HBO movie "Iron Jawed Angels". I wouldn't do it on a full stomach if you have any regard whatsoever for women.
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I can't wait till I can afford to by my own island. The Sovereign Nation of Rama. No taxes and tops are illegal for all women under 36.
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What is your immigration policy?
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According to me, it is indeed evil. It also isn't how you strengthen an economy.
Ah yes, and capitalism is somehow not evil?
Before you start running around kissing the ass of capitalism and disregarding socialism altogether, let's look at what our current capitalistic system has brought us.
- A large majority of the wealth and money in possession of only about 5% of the population.
- Foreclosed homes and homeless middle class.
- A shitty, crime ridden urban landscape with bad schools and no jobs.
- Jobs being shipped to other countries, because they pay their employees in Mexico $1 an hour.
- High gas prices.
- Banks collapsing as people can't pay their mortgages
- The stock market almost collapsing.
- A possible future recession (if we're not in one already)
So yes, a system that's currently founded on the worship of money and materialism and the acquisition and accumulation of wealth is the best damn system in the world. Keep telling yourself that. Socialism may not be perfect either but in some ways it could be better than what we have now.
Also, Socialism != Communism. Communism is a form of socialism, but they're not entirely the same thing. And the so called Communist states formed during the 20th century are not true Communist states either.
I liked how in Family Guy the Nazi was wearing a McCain/Palin button.
Did you watch American Dad afterwards? If you didn't, you missed Stan and his Picard-Boss in fursuits at a furry con. I was rolling.
I also think Tom's defense of the McCalin ticket is because of his unnatural lust for older christian women in glasses and 60's hair buns.
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I just can't support Obama. Hillary and the Clinton-side of the Democratic party would have changed things (DLCistas as it is). The mainstread DNC is just too blach for me to support. Clinton =/= Obama, trust me. Hillary would never have kept Bush's powers around, she wouldn't need them. Bill didn't.
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What is your immigration policy?
For guys....Don't cock block me and you're in.
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All the Latinas should be allowed in. Let us make some off-brown babies with our white and black dudes, and then the hispanic men can come in.
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The mainstream DNC is just too black for me to support.
At least, that's what I thought you said.
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Yes, because I hate Obama, I hate niggers.
I voted for Cynthia McKinney. :p I don't like Obama, Pelosi, or Harry Reid. Reid's the type of guy who'd apologize if his asshole was too dry after a good dicking, and Pelosi would set it up. Obama would cheer on if they both told him too. I hope Hillary gets the Senate Majority Leader position.
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And now that I have a few moments, let's talk about old Joe, the erstwhile plumber.
Yeah, apparently simply asking a question concerning a possible future decision that, given a little energon and a lot of luck, might put him in a much, much higher bracket than currently exists is too dastardly for you people to abide.
I don't know how I missed this, but here goes.
According to me, it is indeed evil. It also isn't how you strengthen an economy.
Ah yes, and capitalism is somehow not evil?
It's called the real world. It's not fair, and it tends to be cruel. But at least it gives you a shot, whereas the other sets the bar for everyone and takes from those who exceed that level and gives to those who don't. Maybe that's okay for underachievers such as yourself, but it's bullshit to me.
Before you start running around kissing the ass of capitalism and disregarding socialism altogether, let's look at what our current capitalistic system has brought us.
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So yes, a system that's currently founded on the worship of money and materialism and the acquisition and accumulation of wealth is the best damn system in the world. Keep telling yourself that. Socialism may not be perfect either but in some ways it could be better than what we have now.
"A large majority of the wealth and money in possession of only about 5% of the population." Big deal! When the vast majority of the remaining percentage still live better than a goodly portion of the rest of the globe, who gives a fuck? You operate under the assumption that all these damn dirty rich people got everything by hook or crook, or by inheriting it from someone who did. Sure, some of them did, but most didn't. And just because they got out and got after it to make that money doesn't mean some socialistic asshole government has the right to take it away from them to give to whoever else for whatever reason.
"Foreclosed homes and homeless middle class." Really? Have the homeless ranks swollen that much? Capitalism isn't at fault for that: government interference, however, to a large extent is....things like the Sarbanes/Oxley Act of 2002 (passed by a Republican Congress) that froze the credit industry due to immediate mark-to-market share devaluation, the Community Reinvestment Act (originating from the dark days of Carter) that opened credit to people who often couldn't afford to pay their bills (leading to "predatory" loans), and pressure from the Clinton administration (supported on local level by ACORN and its cat's paw Obama) to further expand loans to lower and moderate income borrowers being chiefly to blame.
"A shitty, crime ridden urban landscape with bad schools and no jobs." Crime is a problem that isn't solved by putting everyone on the same crappy level. And Guliani showed how to work that out. And schools? You're talking about the most socialist system in America, hush yo' mouf!
"Jobs being shipped to other countries, because they pay their employees in Mexico $1 an hour." Maybe if the tax code wasn't so byzantine and punitive, there'd be more reason to stay rather than move headquarters to more friendly business venues. As for those sacred cow jobs, interestingly enough, people seem to continue to find ways to be employed, as the percentage of unemployed nationwide isn't as bad as it has been in the past when such jobs were plentiful.
"High gas prices." Oh, you mean as opposed to what they pay in Canada and Europe, right? Get serious. Even at their worst, they couldn't compare. The speculators are abandoning the market now that people have voluntarily begun to conserve and sectors of the government are amenable to promoting new drilling and subsidizing alternative sources of energy.
"Banks collapsing as people can't pay their mortgages." See my reply to your second so-called point. BTW, how many banks have collapsed, exactly? And what would happen if they did? Oh, yeah, a better bank would buy their shit up and manage it better. God damn that capitalism!
"The stock market almost collapsing." It's happened before; it'll happen again. And it'll recover again. But putting in another New Deal won't solve it...like before, it'll retard any efforts to get back on track by taking away people's incentives to excel and take personal risks for possible great gains.
"A possible future recession (if we're not in one already)." Again, you're repeating yourself. Been there, done that, wash, rinse, repeat.
So the fact remains that the only things our government really does well is tax and blow shit up, in order of rigorousness.
Also, Socialism != Communism. Communism is a form of socialism, but they're not entirely the same thing. And the so called Communist states formed during the 20th century are not true Communist states either.
There really isn't much of a difference aside from one being totalitarian and the other retaining a pretense of personal liberty. But without economic freedom, the rest doesn't count for awful much. Everything boils down to the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rule. And then the slippery slope concept applies: the former establishes government as the arbiter of who is allowed to have what, and that's the first step to the latter.
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http://www.palinaspresident.com/
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Didn't that already get posted somewhere here or am I thinking of another board?
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It was posted at squirrels.
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Why didn't you post it here? =p
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Because I'm probably gonna vote for McCain and don't like to think about the horrific possibility of president palin anymore than I have to.
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That's fair. I feel the same way, so I already voted for Obama. Not that it matters in this giant red state.
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I voted for McKinney in the reddest of red counties.
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He lost the state but won our county and several below it.
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Rhode Island was so blue that it was black.
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I can't believe Harris County went blue. That hasn't happened in decades. Lot of Republican judges wandering around in shock Wednesday, but not the two we voted for as they rock. :guitar:
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I noticed the only blue counties in Texas were the ones that had Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and all the border counties will all those mexican immigrants.