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~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« on: Jul 21, 2013, 01:13:50 AM »
I think the Aussie guy should've lived.  With Idris Elba sacrificing himself alone.  And the way those 5 pilots died so quickly was kinda disappoint.  Oh yeah, and we needed more fights in the day light.  Would've been nice.  But otherwise, I liked this movie.  Post whatever.  I should've brought back the spoiler tag but I'm lazy.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #1 on: Jul 21, 2013, 01:36:04 AM »
I like this one as well, but it had it's problems. My main problem was actually between Mako and the SOA guy. (who made so little impact that I can't even remember his characters name.) One there wasn't much character development for these two and what was there wasn't good. I heard that this script was really trimmed down and most of what was lost was character stuff. Really the whole script needed one more good pass.

I really think Mako should have already been the new pilot and they were bringing the SOA guy because of his experience. I also didn't like how Mako wasn't much of a badass at the start. She was all looking out her peep hole at him...and looking away when he stared at her...and doing school girl shit. I half expected her to giggle into her hand at any moment. That should have all been cut out. A much better story would have been her being a very strong good pilot that had to prove herself to vet that didn't think she had what it takes and then won his respect and you could have weaved the love story into that.

Which that love story fell pretty flat too. The only reason I knew they'd end up together is because I really saw "Drifting" as an allegory for sex. (which is really strange when everyone else doing it in the movie was a close relation.) But once you've been that much in someone's head you either have to love them or hate them. But out of the two I liked Mako better. She had a good back story and I like this actress. I think she could have been written a little better, but I still like her. The SOA guy kinda fell short...never seen SOA so I don't know if this is the actors fault or the director. He was very one dimensional though…but he got more character plot then all the other pilots except the Aussies though. Those other pilots might as well have been wearing Red Shirts. Which sucks because I like the look of both of those mechs and wanted to see what they could do...get their ass beat apparently is what they can do.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #2 on: Jul 21, 2013, 09:54:22 PM »
I thought the movie was fucking awesome.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #3 on: Jul 21, 2013, 11:33:00 PM »
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(who made so little impact that I can't even remember his characters name.)

And it also took me a LOTTTT of time to remember what the main guy's name is.  Raleigh Beckett.  I didn't even have to look it up but it just took me a while.  Which is really sad since part of my damn name is in there and it still couldn't stick in my head.

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I really think Mako should have already been the new pilot and they were bringing the SOA guy because of his experience. I also didn't like how Mako wasn't much of a badass at the start.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Nobody needed the fetishism of Mako.  Her freaking out inside the jaeger, not being able to fight her own fights, and just being all shy around daddy and her co-pilot.  I wanted more badass shit like where she pulled out that sword.  That shit was dope.

Imo, there were just too many narratives here:

Raleigh Beckett - ranger, lost his brother, gets dragged back in, needs a new partner.
Mako Mori - newb, trying to prove herself to everyone including daddy
Stacker Pendecost - his nose drips blood because of death, his funds are cut, has a last minute plan he must execute, daughter issues

This doesn't even take into account the angry arrogant young Aussie, the two bumbling scientists, and whatever was going on with pimp Perlman.  Actually, all of it was interesting but it was too much in a single feature film.  Here's what I would've done, at least for the first part of the film:

I would've kept the beginning the same.  Then after the title card, have almost the same scene we had earlier with Stacker talking to the world leaders or whoever they were.  Except it takes place in Hong Kong.  Raleigh's already there with Mako as his partner.  We have some sort of dialogue about how Raleigh had left to build the wall but the wall was ineffective.  Because there apparently no other way to stop the kaiju, Raleigh knew he had to overcome the trauma of his brother's death and return to the project.  So yeah, cut out all of that shit where we travel to Hong Kong and see Raleigh working in construction.  Like, HUH?  What a waste of time.  That part should've been cut and been a web extra or something.

The Heckle and Jeckle scientists were a bit of a time-eater, too.  The Torchwood guy's part should've been scaled back.  He could've still been there somewhere, but not in the foreground as often as he was.  The whole Mako-Stacker was given way more time than it needed.  Again, these are interesting events and would've been great web extras or for a graphic novel.  But all of this stuff took away from the kaiju and the battles we should've gotten.  I wanted to see those other jaegers rock out and they just went splutzzzzz.

The movie needed to be leaner about the story it wanted to tell so that every element had time to play out.  And it was like they just crammed in and left remnants of things inside of it.  Like when a scene gets cut but part of it is still present in the movie so only the people who wrote the script in the first place even know what it's doing there.  But to the audience, it's kinda wtf.  So we were still left with a good movie, but it just wasn't, um, tidy I guess.  
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #4 on: Jul 22, 2013, 12:11:58 AM »
I would've kept the beginning the same.  Then after the title card, have almost the same scene we had earlier with Stacker talking to the world leaders or whoever they were.  Except it takes place in Hong Kong.  Raleigh's already there with Mako as his partner.  We have some sort of dialogue about how Raleigh had left to build the wall but the wall was ineffective.  Because there apparently no other way to stop the kaiju, Raleigh knew he had to overcome the trauma of his brother's death and return to the project.  So yeah, cut out all of that shit where we travel to Hong Kong and see Raleigh working in construction.  Like, HUH?  What a waste of time.  That part should've been cut and been a web extra or something.

See I would have kept some of the wall stuff. It shows that he hasn't got into a mech since his bother died and it sets up the come back style story...but there was too much of that shit. A lot of that could have been edited out. All you needed to see was getting him getting to the job...working on the wall...seeing the Aussie wall fail and then Pentecost shows up to get him. 5-10 mins top. It went on far longer then it needed to in order to impart that information to the viewers. It's not like the wall played a major part from here on out so you don't need to waste much time here.

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And nobody needed the fetishism of Mako as a little school girl like Rama said.  Or her freaking out inside the jaeger, not being able to fight her own fights, and just being all shy around daddy.  I wanted more badass shit like where she pulled out that sword.  That shit was dope.


Yep...I think Beckett should have been the one that freaked out actually and that Mako used her own memories to talk him down instead. It would have worked more for his story of getting back in the saddle again and overcoming the fear that kept him from it. Then you could have use that bound they made there to spring board the love story.

And yeah that sword bit was fucking awesome. That was one my favorite parts when they cut off the wing then pulled the highlander and fell to the ground. Awesome.

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The Heckle and Jeckle scientists were a bit of a time-eater, too.  The Torchwood guy's part should've been scaled back.  He could've still been there somewhere, but not in the foreground as often as he was.


I actually think the Hermann guy should have been written out completely and combined with Newt. I'd seen Newt's actor before in "It's Always Sunny" and he did pretty good here...if not a little manic sometimes. But they needed to cut the fat of the other scientist and then get him and Hannibal to team up faster because that was magic there. Get Ron Pearlman into more of this movie and keep him around longer. Because that worked.

And I thought Pentecost was dying because he was one of the few people that piloted a Jaeger solo. It didn't make any sense when they said it was radiation that was killing him. Why would getting back into a Jaeger kill him? The Eureka Striker wasn't even nuclear. (Which they established in the HK fight). What would make sense is if one more drift would cause so much brain damage he would die. I also thought the solo pilot thing was set up so that he could eject the Aussie guy and save him....but nope. No pay off there either.


Still liked this movie...but this script needed to be a little more polished before it went in front of a camera.



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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: Jul 22, 2013, 12:45:08 AM »
I didn't even think about the radiation stuff, I just assumed his brain wouldn't be able to survive after another drift.  I don't know if I made that assumption from something said in the movie or for another reason.  You're right though.  The whole solo pilot thing would've been great to revisit at the end there.  And good thinking about having Raleigh being the one to have a freak out.  That makes much more sense for Raleigh's story than Mako's.

I also thought about combining the scientists but I don't think their specialties and personalities would have gelled so much in a single person.  I would've rather had Torchwood dude as background fodder with a couple of lines and then the rest of the scientist time goes to the other guy.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #6 on: Jul 22, 2013, 11:21:23 AM »
The thing with Hermann's specialty is that it wasn't needed in the movie. Sure he predicted double and triple events, but it wasn't like they prepared for those. They didn't believe him till the other guy saw them on the radar or whatever. Then he is like "Double event!!" the he is all like "Ah ha...I told ya." He didn't have any impact other then being a foil for Newt, which is a role that Pentecost could have filled. That's kinda why I thought they could get rid of him...and anything he did that didn't have to do with the Math then someone else could have done.  


 And I posted this one Facebook, but it looks like WB green lit a sequel. I find that odd since the movie still hasn't made it's money back yet. It is close though and maybe the drop off hasn't been bad and they confident it'll make it's money in the theater and then that it'll make a lot of money off rentals, streaming, and DVD sales.

http://moviepilot.com/stories/1045313-guillermo-del-toro-confirms-pacific-rim-2-and-spills-some-ideas
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #7 on: Jul 23, 2013, 10:32:23 AM »
Yeah, I saw your share.  That's awesome.  This may also be of interest to you:

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #8 on: Jul 23, 2013, 10:49:09 AM »
I saw that too. I really hope it makes it's money back so they don't pull the plug on the sequel at some point before it starts production. They still have China and Japan to go...which I think could be big markets for this flick.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #9 on: Jul 23, 2013, 02:09:12 PM »
Well, like you said, there's still DVD, streaming, other deals to be made.  What ticks me is people (not media, but just general ppl in comments sections) calling Guillermo del Toro a hack and saying this film ruined his career.  Are you kidding?  He's not some up and coming newb, you idiots.  Jeez.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #10 on: Jul 23, 2013, 03:42:19 PM »
I think this flick made more then Hellboy did...Might be Del Toro's best opening ever. Only problem was the budget was so high that fact is getting lost. If they could have got this down to 150 mill....those same people would be singing his praises right now.
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #11 on: Jul 23, 2013, 11:26:23 PM »
Hopefully they're more efficient with a smaller budget for the next one and make back some bank.

And a couple of tumblr posts just because:

Can we talk about the original script for Pacific Rim?


PACIFIC RIM: a father’s daughter, awesome robots, visual and aural grandeur  The uterus-part on this one lost me, lol.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #12 on: Jul 24, 2013, 12:51:49 PM »
Hopefully they're more efficient with a smaller budget for the next one and make back some bank.

And a couple of tumblr posts just because:

Can we talk about the original script for Pacific Rim?


How awesome would this have been had it been set in Tokyo instead of Hong Kong? I wonder if the film maker made a deal with China like Iron Man 3 did and that was the reason for the change.

Would have loved to seen Japan's Jaeger.

I do like the idea that Mako was already a vet pilot though or at least was a pilot of some kind before Beckett showed up.

And I think being able to learn a different language just by drifting with someone that knew it would be a bigger deal...imagine being fluent in like 10 different languages without having to spend decades mastering them. That'd be awesome.

But those are the things I would have like from that script...the rest..ehhhh...I'd actually like to read the real thing instead of taking someone else word at it though.

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PACIFIC RIM: a father’s daughter, awesome robots, visual and aural grandeur  The uterus-part on this one lost me, lol.

I think this person put way more thought into tearing this movie apart, then the people that made it did in building it up.

But I do agree on a few points:

I did like Clifton Collins, Jr in this flick...his role was far too small.

I am also happy Tom Cruise didn't get that roll. That would have added "star" powet...but not the kinda star powet I would have wanted. Having Ron Pearlman be you biggest star was alright we me.

And oddly enough I can see where they are coming from with the whole womb thing. I think it might be a metaphor...but again I think this writer is digging too deep looking for something to get upset about. Let's not forget that birth canal was pushing forth giant monster that had killed millions of people.



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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #13 on: Jul 31, 2013, 01:45:36 PM »
I'm so out of touch. I hadn't even heard of this movie, just had to google the trailer.
Kinda wanna see it now tho

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #14 on: Jul 31, 2013, 04:04:47 PM »
There was a lotta marketing fail going on with this flick unfortunately.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #15 on: Jul 31, 2013, 05:05:38 PM »
Must have missed all that, or maybe it was just on your side of the pond

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #16 on: Aug 01, 2013, 12:19:10 AM »
So the movie pulled down 9 mill in China on it's opening weekend there. That's the best opening for a WB movie in China ever...even better then the Harry Potter flicks. Things are looking up for the movie as China and Japan were seen as big markets for this movie and China has paid off...still has yet to open in Japan.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #17 on: Aug 02, 2013, 01:36:38 PM »
I cant stop thinking about how the name of the movie sounds like a pr0n movie

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #18 on: Aug 03, 2013, 09:30:40 PM »
You'd think that'd've just gotten it more attention.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #19 on: Aug 05, 2013, 03:22:18 AM »
that'd've??
can you actually use that? is that gramatically correct?

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #20 on: Aug 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM »
Nope and nope.  But I use it anyway.  Maybe I should've typed it "that'd 've" instead.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #21 on: Aug 06, 2013, 08:50:20 AM »
Great movie!  So tropey if that's a word.  Just so ridiculous with every cilche from children's movies, anime and such.  Guillermo Del Toro is kind of hit and miss with me but this one's a hit.  Probably my favourite of his movies.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #22 on: Aug 06, 2013, 03:39:19 PM »
Great movie!  So tropey if that's a word.  Just so ridiculous with every cilche from children's movies, anime and such.  Guillermo Del Toro is kind of hit and miss with me but this one's a hit.  Probably my favourite of his movies.

Is campy an appropriate term? Maybe?
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #23 on: Aug 06, 2013, 09:41:44 PM »
Well, he did pitch a tent.








































































No, I'm just saying that.  I really wanted to make that pun.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #24 on: Aug 07, 2013, 09:19:16 AM »
Is campy an appropriate term? Maybe?
I can't think of many movies that fit this bill more.

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #25 on: Feb 04, 2016, 09:35:38 PM »
So the sequel's future seems--optimistically speaking--up in the air.  It's already been removed from its release date but del Toro insists it's still a go. 

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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2016, 10:36:41 AM »
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2016, 01:47:33 AM »
Pacific Rim? Or a pacific rim? Two completely different things there. Thank goodness for capitalization.
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Re: ~** Pacific Rim **~ [Spoilers]
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2016, 08:04:27 AM »
I wish they's stop talking about who was gonna make the sequel and just make the sequel. If you are not gonna do it then just let it go, but if you are get your ass in gear.