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Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 06, 2006, 03:52:33 AM
http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/thismon...cle/?cid=114160 (http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/thismonth/article/?cid=114160)

Every Thursday this month is 2 new movies.

Today they showed Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. They show the English dubs first, then the second time around they show the Japanese version w/ English subtitles. Neat.

I watched Spirited Away subbed and some of Princess Mononoke subbed.


EDIT: Here's the EST schedule, according to another board that got it from ToonZone

Thursday, January 5
8:00pm: Spirited Away (2002 - English-language version)
10:15pm: Princess Mononoke (1997 - English-language version)
1:00am: Spirited Away (2002 - Japanese-language version)
3:15am: Princess Mononoke (1997 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 12
8:00pm: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1984 - English-language version)
10:00pm: Castle in the Sky (1986 - English-language version)
12:15am: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1984 - Japanese-language version)
2:15am: Castle in the Sky (1986 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 19
8:00pm: My Neighbor Totoro (1988 - English-language version)
9:30pm: Porco Rosso (1992 - English-language version)
11:15pm: Whisper of the Heart (1995 - English-language version)
1:15am: My Neighbor Totoro (1988 - Japanese-language version)
2:45am: Porco Rosso (1992 - Japanese-language version)
4:30am: Whisper of the Heart (1995 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 26
8:00pm: Only Yesterday (1991 - Japanese-language version only)
10:15pm: Pom Poko (1994 - English-language version)
12:30am: Only Yesterday (1991 - Japanese-language version)
2:45am: Pom Poko (1994 - Japanese-language version)

Remember that I think you ought to adjust these times if you don't live on the East Coast.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Rodent of Unusual Size on Jan 06, 2006, 09:21:34 AM
Drat, I forgot they were doing this.  Thanks for the reminder.

I have Mononoke on DVD, but I didn't think Spirited Away would appeal to me, and now I can find out without laying down the bucks.

I've gotten to the point, however, that I don't watch subbed anime any more unless I have to.  It isn't high art in my mind, so for casual viewing dubs are acceptable.  And listening to the Japanese tracks is annoying if for no other reason than the language itself...they speak like chihuahuas on speed.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: IDE on Jan 06, 2006, 12:21:20 PM
I've seen almost everything ghibli has put out (at least everything that interests me) but I wouldn't mind catching the dubbed version of Naussica, since all I have is a the subbed VHS.  

Spirited away is great IMO, I didn't like the plot towards the end but it definitely gives you the feeling of being in japanese spirit/fairy land.  If you dig that sort of thing...which i do.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 06, 2006, 12:36:22 PM
Had this marked on my calender since November, since I knew I would forget.  I've seen both Spirited Away and Mononoke dubbed already, both in theaters, so yesterday I was really in it for the subs.  (Though Minnie Driver's voice is hot, Claire Danes and Billy Crudup always bothered me... as well as any bit parts by Tress Macneille.)  Next week I'll be recording overtime, as I've seen neither of those and really want to watch 'em in both languages.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: IDE on Jan 06, 2006, 12:50:58 PM
I'm gonna watch all the rest of these except maybe Only Yesterday (and I'll probably watch that too).   Wher e is The Cat Returns?  I love that one.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: B E C K on Jan 06, 2006, 01:08:02 PM
After he left again, they said he couldn't come back.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: IDE on Jan 06, 2006, 02:04:40 PM
Your response displeases me..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/IDE/cMuta.jpg)

I will now devour all your fish.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 06, 2006, 09:55:04 PM
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Drat, I forgot they were doing this.  Thanks for the reminder.

I have Mononoke on DVD, but I didn't think Spirited Away would appeal to me, and now I can find out without laying down the bucks.

I've gotten to the point, however, that I don't watch subbed anime any more unless I have to.  It isn't high art in my mind, so for casual viewing dubs are acceptable.  And listening to the Japanese tracks is annoying if for no other reason than the language itself...they speak like chihuahuas on speed.
I guess you missed Spirited Away on TCM, then, since the showtimes are for EST time and thus if you are in PST you must watch at the same time EST people are watching it, and I made this topic after I saw Spirited Away.

Unless they rerun Spirited Away again.



I gotta say, though, I liked the Japanese version better. The girl isn't as annoying as the English one and her voice is less harsh, I thought. Also, in the English version they added some extra lines to explain things, but they ended up screwing up the story a bit. The English version changed this one part that was rather crucial to this story point at the end, so when I watched the English one in theaters(first time seeing the movie) I thought, "What the hell? That was really random. They hardly tried to make any hint at that at all and now they just brought it up out of the blue?"

I liked Spirited Away in that it had more variety and fun stuff than Princess Mononoke.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: The D on Jan 07, 2006, 10:02:56 PM
I'm suprised everyone else knew about this before I did.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: B E C K on Jan 08, 2006, 01:34:51 AM
I'm not.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 09, 2006, 04:59:43 PM
Disaaaaaamn... I wish I had this channel... though... I do have the DVDs for most of those.

Are they playing dubbed Totoro or the Fox version or what?/

Last September they had a Miyazaki thing at an animation festival here in Ottawa. It unfortunately coincided with a weekend trip to montreal to go see strippers but I still managed to catch a few in theatres which was a unique treat.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: B E C K on Jan 09, 2006, 06:51:17 PM
I have no idea myself.  Each movie is getting a dub and sub airing.  Did Disney do a dub of Totoro as well?
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: tomduo on Jan 09, 2006, 08:12:22 PM
*balls turn into a rug*

o.o I smoked too much.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 09, 2006, 09:36:52 PM
Disney does not have the rights to Totoro yet but I heard they may get it at some point when fox loses them so if there's a Disney dub out there it can't be released yet.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 09, 2006, 11:57:01 PM
Here's the EST schedule, according to another board that got it from ToonZone

Thursday, January 5
8:00pm: Spirited Away (2002 - English-language version)
10:15pm: Princess Mononoke (1997 - English-language version)
1:00am: Spirited Away (2002 - Japanese-language version)
3:15am: Princess Mononoke (1997 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 12
8:00pm: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1984 - English-language version)
10:00pm: Castle in the Sky (1986 - English-language version)
12:15am: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1984 - Japanese-language version)
2:15am: Castle in the Sky (1986 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 19
8:00pm: My Neighbor Totoro (1988 - English-language version)
9:30pm: Porco Rosso (1992 - English-language version)
11:15pm: Whisper of the Heart (1995 - English-language version)
1:15am: My Neighbor Totoro (1988 - Japanese-language version)
2:45am: Porco Rosso (1992 - Japanese-language version)
4:30am: Whisper of the Heart (1995 - Japanese-language version)

Thursday, January 26
8:00pm: Only Yesterday (1991 - Japanese-language version only)
10:15pm: Pom Poko (1994 - English-language version)
12:30am: Only Yesterday (1991 - Japanese-language version)
2:45am: Pom Poko (1994 - Japanese-language version)

Remember that I think you ought to adjust these times if you don't live on the East Coast.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 10, 2006, 01:39:39 AM
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I have no idea myself.  Each movie is getting a dub and sub airing.  Did Disney do a dub of Totoro as well?
WTF?? WHOEVER DUBS TOTORO DESERVES TO DIE!
damn this country is getting really ahead with their anime related shiet.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: IDE on Jan 10, 2006, 01:58:09 AM
I hope Disney dubs totoro!

Down with sub elitests!

*throws an INTERNET molatov*
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 10, 2006, 05:48:45 AM
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I have no idea myself.  Each movie is getting a dub and sub airing.  Did Disney do a dub of Totoro as well?
WTF?? WHOEVER DUBS TOTORO DESERVES TO DIE!
damn this country is getting really ahead with their anime related shiet.
But it's already been dubbed. That's pretty much the only version of it available through legal matters in my country or yours.

Anyway I'd be all over that like stink... this isn't the old TNT is  it?
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 10, 2006, 05:56:36 AM
Looks like the Disney Totoro DVD is finally coming out on   March 7th, same date as we are finally getting the  Howl's Moving Castle  DVD.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 10, 2006, 07:36:22 AM
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But it's already been dubbed. That's pretty much the only version of it available through legal matters in my country or yours.

Anyway I'd be all over that like stink... this isn't the old TNT is  it?
ehmmm nope, not in my country
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 10, 2006, 07:48:27 PM
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But it's already been dubbed. That's pretty much the only version of it available through legal matters in my country or yours.

Anyway I'd be all over that like stink... this isn't the old TNT is  it?
ehmmm nope, not in my country
Where are you located right now?
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 10, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
SingaporeeeeeeeE
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 11, 2006, 05:32:24 AM
I thought you were in the US? Well whatever. It's been released in the US and is being release in the US again so neither affects you or both affects you.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Bernie AKA on Jan 11, 2006, 09:53:48 AM
Nausicaa tomorrow!  :)  
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 11, 2006, 10:13:30 AM
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I thought you were in the US? Well whatever. It's been released in the US and is being release in the US again so neither affects you or both affects you.
haah i am in phillyyyyy
i just dont think its right to dub classics like totoro. in my mind its fucked up
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 11, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
I disagree.  The whole point of dubbing the movies is to get them out there to people who normally wouldn't watch those types of movies or wouldn't watch a foreign film at all.  After they've been introduced to the film in English, one can only hope that they would want to hear the film in its original language so they can further appreciate it.  At the very least however, thank god Disney at least gets good voice actors...  
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: IDE on Jan 11, 2006, 01:03:35 PM
watch movies
read books
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: tomduo on Jan 11, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
I read too many goddamned books.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 12, 2006, 12:08:47 AM
Well if a dub bothers you then just don't watch it. That's the advantage of the new DVD that will have both.

I've always personally prefered subs over dubs but since my fiancee watches dubs I am glad for them which means I can watch something dubbed with her instead of not at all.

Also the Miyazaki dubs by Disney have all been top notch and quite respectfull and failthfull so I wouldn't worry about Totoro too much.
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: tomduo on Jan 12, 2006, 03:26:43 PM
I don't understand why most people bitch about dubs, yet treat voice actors like Gods at anime conventions...
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 12, 2006, 03:53:23 PM
dont include me in that shit!
i aint going to no anime convention :x  
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 12, 2006, 04:01:37 PM
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I don't understand why most people bitch about dubs, yet treat voice actors like Gods at anime conventions...
Even they even worship Scott McNeil...and I heard that he smells like sour milk...
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Bitch on Jan 12, 2006, 06:35:14 PM
And that he wears the same outfit at every convetion. There is speculation that he lives at the conventions. XD

A local theatre here is doing an Afternoon of Anime next Saturday. The only reservation that  have about it is that it's going to be very much geared to popular fangirlism, so there will be loud squeeling every time [inert bishie here] comes on screen. -_-
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 12, 2006, 09:40:04 PM
Scott McNeil is cool!

I don't just like him from dubbed anime though. I like him as Rattrap and Dinobot for example. But yeah... he, for example, is in anime which plays on TV. I don't watch InuYasha subbed because I'm not willing to go buy the DVDs for it.

When presented with a choice I will go for a sub over a dub but that doesn't mean I won't watch a dub if it's easily accessible to me and the sub isn't.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 12, 2006, 09:52:10 PM
...But he never changes clothes!
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 12, 2006, 10:26:45 PM
Same hat and different but similar shirt:

(http://adamrulz.com/digicam/otfuck/images/otfck2004_033.jpg)
(http://adamrulz.com/digicam/animenorth/images/animenorth_091.jpg)
Title: Studio Ghibli month on Turner Classic Movies
Post by: Bernie AKA on Jan 13, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
I turned off the dub of Nausicaa last night.  The first dub attempt (Warriors of the Wind) was cut up and they changed names (Princess Zandra?), but I liked Nausicaa's VA a lot better.  Alison Lohman sounded like she was reading a stock report.  I made it through her incessant babbling at the ohmu shell and set a tape for the sub later on.  
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 13, 2006, 02:56:43 PM
I sat through just fine in the Nausicaa dub and watched some of the sub (but not all of it due to sheer time constraints).  That may be one I'll actually buy in the future, depending on whether or not I can piece together the end (or feel like putting the effort into doing so) since my DVR chopped into the ending when it was recording Laputa (both times!).  The Laputa dub really bothered me though.  I kinda watched that subbed, and can't say I was that interested in it as I hit the forward button many a time.  The characters were nice and all, but the story....  I guess in '86, it would've been pure magic.  Now it just feels like other things I've seen too many times.  The old bat and her pirate fiends were cooler than I initially thought though.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 13, 2006, 04:25:33 PM
Next week, three films.  Including... My Neighbor Totoro... starring Dakota Fanning!!!  ARGH!  Strike one.
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Post by: blanktoe on Jan 13, 2006, 08:00:09 PM
john Lassiter is a overhyping lying sack a shit! He said the opening sequence of Castle In the Sky is mind blowing. WRONG!  
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 13, 2006, 08:04:53 PM
It was cool and all but yeah, I get the feeling Mr. Pixar whacks off to that black and white picture of Miyazaki during those lonely nights at sea.
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Post by: The D on Jan 13, 2006, 10:48:51 PM
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I don't understand why most people bitch about dubs, yet treat voice actors like Gods at anime conventions...
Even they even worship Scott McNeil...and I heard that he smells like sour milk...
¯\(º_o)/¯
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 14, 2006, 12:35:13 AM
Heaven forbid I post an extra word.
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Post by: Rama on Jan 14, 2006, 12:40:48 AM
Yeah! You can't expect Zero to have perfect grammer and spelling, like you do of me.  
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Post by: IDE on Jan 14, 2006, 02:51:08 AM
I do that sometimes when I have 2 ways of wording something and switch from one to the other in mid post.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 14, 2006, 09:05:20 AM
That's exactly what I did.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 14, 2006, 11:02:40 AM
I've been happy with all the Miyazaki dubs and their performances. Only people who pissed me off were Jada Pinket and Billy Bob in Mononke. But Kiki's, Laputa, Nausicaa, Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle were all solid. Remains to be seen what I'll think of Totoro though...
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 14, 2006, 11:08:20 AM
i still can't believe they dubbed totoro, freaking assholes
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 14, 2006, 01:08:48 PM
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i still can't believe they dubbed totoro, freaking assholes
Neither can 1993...

Were you aware there's an old Spanish dub as well? I really can't wrap my mind around you being shocked and I don't just mean because it was dubbed and widely available 13 years ago but also 'cause there's no precedence for a movie bineg "too good" to be dubbed.  Just like any book of fame and quality has always been translated into a number of languages.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 15, 2006, 12:03:50 PM
who the fuck cares in which language they dubbed it! the thing is that they did and i think they shouldn't have. they could have just put subtitles on it. you can't compare movies with books. you can't put subtitles in books.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 15, 2006, 12:20:19 PM
Then I'll compare movies to movies.   The movies which get a sub only release are few and far between and that only happens when it's simply unprofiteable to dub something.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 15, 2006, 02:16:44 PM
Film is not a written word media.  You weren't meant to be reading while experiencing a movie (unless the script calls for subtitiles beacuse a character is speaking a different language and even then they don't do it sometimes, like in the godfather).  Then in the case of anime you factor in that japanese and english don't exactly translate back and forth very well.  Someone is taking the meaning of the scene and writing the words that make it meaningful to english speakers.  Why not just do the same thing with english voice actors?   If you don't speak japanese listening to it is on par with listening to dogs of various sizes barking at one another.

Dub the anime...Dub it all.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 15, 2006, 09:13:34 PM
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I've been happy with all the Miyazaki dubs and their performances. Only people who pissed me off were Jada Pinket and Billy Bob in Mononke.
Really?  I thought they were actually passable.  Tress MacNeille is really getting on my nerves though.  Maybe because I'm so used to her as a comedic talent, like in Futurama, The Simpsons, Animaniacs, etc. that in any other context she seriously bothers me and detracts any depth from whatever scenes she is. In Nausicaa she actually had some serious lines, and I kept wanting to laugh during some of them because I expected a punchline somewhere.

James Van Der Beek as Pazu was killing me.  And Cloris Leachman's voicing felt souless to me.  I had kept Laputa (the dub) on my DVR and tried watching it again, but I just couldn't get through it.

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Film is not a written word media.
Yeah, but somewhere out there someone wrote those words down.  =P  I like to do both.  If it has subtitles or captions, half the time I'll slap them on there while I'm watching (unless they're shitty or something).
 
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 15, 2006, 09:15:35 PM
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Tress MacNeille is really getting on my nerves though.  Maybe because I'm so used to her as a comedic talent.
I have the same feeling about Tom Kenny.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 15, 2006, 09:22:03 PM
What has he been coming out in that's non-comedic?  Or he just gets on your nerves?
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 15, 2006, 09:24:42 PM
He's started to pop-up in various cartoons and animes.  I can't name anything off the top of my head other than the Penguin on The Batman.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 16, 2006, 10:09:22 AM
when you dub it , it loses originality. ive never seen a movie that sounds good dubbed. there's nothing like the real voices of the actors.
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Post by: Wickedly Yours E on Jan 16, 2006, 10:16:13 AM
Woman, you are so totally wrong there is nothing to convey just how wrong you are.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 16, 2006, 10:19:39 AM
Yeah, alot of studios (Disney especially) do a great job of getting actors who sound just like their Japanese counterparts.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 16, 2006, 11:19:36 AM
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Woman, you are so totally wrong there is nothing to convey just how wrong you are.
whatever, i think i'm right and you guys are wrong.
and i'm always right! hah!
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 16, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
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and i'm always right! hah!

Not when you're left...
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Post by: Bernie AKA on Jan 16, 2006, 12:46:39 PM
Depends. Sakakibara Yoshiko as Integra in Hellsing didn't have the same effect on me as Victoria Harwood, partly because Nakata Joji was just too damn basso profundo as Alucard.  
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 16, 2006, 02:45:32 PM
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and i'm always right! hah!

Not when you're left...
yes because i'm a leftie:-D
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Post by: IDE on Jan 16, 2006, 03:23:33 PM
the lefty aka the friendly stranger
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 16, 2006, 03:25:09 PM
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when you dub it , it loses originality. ive never seen a movie that sounds good dubbed. there's nothing like the real voices of the actors.
Yay for Faye!  I agree.  There's nothing like original actors.  To me, it doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed in other languages or even enjoyed more so, but with original actors, I feel like I'm getting more of the original product and thus the original intent.  The idea that you can just layer one language on top of another and get an identical product fails to make sense to me, unless possibly you actually have the actors redubbing themselves.  When I watch things in other languages, I do so because I want a different experience with the same movie.

Disney does get points for trying their damndest though.  So far, the only one shown on Turner that I consider a bit of a miss is Laputa.  There were too many people that weren't working.  Even Mark Hamill couldn't save it for me.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 16, 2006, 03:48:45 PM
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yes because i'm a leftie:-D
Me too.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 16, 2006, 04:20:34 PM
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when you dub it , it loses originality. ive never seen a movie that sounds good dubbed. there's nothing like the real voices of the actors.
This is perfectly understandeable.  As I said I always prefer subbed to dubbed. That being said you aren't offended they are butchering art. You are in disbelief at a totally believeable thing.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 16, 2006, 04:25:26 PM
I think if the original director is there supervising the dubbing process then virtually nothing is lost.  The original actors brought their own flavor to the characters but other actors can come in and bring theirs as well.  Just like a play can be performed by people other than the orginal cast.
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Post by: tomduo on Jan 16, 2006, 04:27:11 PM
Kirby Morrow said it best, though. The Dub VA will never be as good as the original, because the animation is based on the original's manerism's and style, and the Dub actor has to do his best to keep up.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 16, 2006, 04:37:10 PM
That isn't neccesarily true. It is an actors job to learn mannerisms and styles and duplicate them.  That's what they do. That's who they are.  Just because the artists gave a talking cat a nervous tick cause the actor has one doesn't mean a dub actor can't put his own take on that and have it be just as good if not better...but really the only thing we can determine is that it's different..  

Non japanese speakers that somehow think they can determine which version is better is kind of laughable. Even if we spoke japanese  we haven't been enculturated in japan.  Do you really know what every voice inflection means when they change tone? No, you're just assigning meaning to it based on our culture.  Someone would have to be fluent in both languages and cultural philoligy to truly make an empirical critical call on who did the best job.
 
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 20, 2006, 11:15:10 PM
Not that English speakers are necessarily perfect at picking up the cultural subtext in foreign inflections, but how else do you understand someone who doesn't speak English except for inflection?  If all you have is a voice to go by, you can tell when they're angry, sad, happy, etc.  In the most basic emotions, there is no great subtlety there.
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Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 27, 2006, 04:19:07 AM
I haven't been staying up to date on this thread, but...


All you guys are sitting on my testicles. Like, right now.  ;)  
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Post by: IDE on Jan 27, 2006, 04:38:52 AM
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Not that English speakers are necessarily perfect at picking up the cultural subtext in foreign inflections, but how else do you understand someone who doesn't speak English except for inflection?  If all you have is a voice to go by, you can tell when they're angry, sad, happy, etc.  In the most basic emotions, there is no great subtlety there.
There is no subteltly in the basic"emotions but perhaps something is lost on the finer points in complex situations.  We can only grasp the basics by inflection and then like you say were only getting the base emotion.  Some of the cues that we take for granted may or not mean the exact same thing and we assign meaning to the ones we're not sure of (but we think we are) based on our culture....which I would argue pollutes the perception of the content.
 
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 27, 2006, 06:04:52 PM
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I haven't been staying up to date on this thread, but...


All you guys are sitting on my testicles. Like, right now.  ;)
Holy shit.  That Pom Poko was something else.  It had Tress MacNeille, again, and this time in a larger role =\, but she had comedic parts so it wasn't as grating as when she was the old woman in Nausicaa or various female roles in Mononoke and Laputa.  Merla actually sat down and watched this one with me.  So I'm all "Goddammit, it's Tress MacNeille!", and she's "HOW can you tell?"

Maurice LaMarche as the narrator also worked and Jeff Bennett as one of the terrified workers... damn, those two are awesome.  They could be chewing food and I'd still think they're brilliant.  Clancy Brown was pretty darn cool, too... and Jonathan Taylor Thomas... is still Jonathan Taylor Thomas.  It's kinda insulting with all the other great voices, that Oliva D'abo got a high billing on the Dish info thingy (second or third or something).  We saw her dumb character like once.

I haven't gotten to see the sub yet, but I recorded it.  And I didn't get to Only Yesterday yet either.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 27, 2006, 09:40:13 PM
I had to work every single thursday night this month so I missed everything. :(
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 29, 2006, 01:21:45 PM
You don't have a VCR?


Here's my ranking of what was shown.  I was going to include dubs and subs seperately, but to tell you the truth, I don't have the time the spend watching both, and only watched the sub when I deemed the dub too inferior for enjoyment.

Whisper of the Heart -- A very sweet movie.
Only Yesterday -- I'm still in progress of watching it, but there's something I really like about it.
Pom Poko -- I will never forget this movie as long as I live.
Princess Mononoke -- My first Miyazaki movie.  Minnie Driver's accent is hotness.
Porco Rosso -- The planes and setting were neat, the characters were incredibly memorable, but the ending felt rushed and unsatisfying.  And the middle kinda dragged.
Nausicaa -- Very cool.  It reminded me of a video game.
Laputa -- A nice adventure, maybe I'dve appreciated it better in the 80's.  Now it just feels overdone.
Spirited Away -- It won an Oscar and it's a cute movie, but it's nothing I'd pay to see again.
My Neighbor Totoro -- I was bored.  Sorry.

I really wish they would show animated films every Thursday.  I'm still pissed off that I erased Whisper of the Heart without watching the Lasseter/Mancewicz interview first.

I also think it's interesting that the ones I liked the best weren't necessarily Miyazaki films.
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Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 30, 2006, 05:08:16 AM
I only watched Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Only Yesterday, and Pom Poko.

Only Yesterday was cute...
About the ending:
EDIT: Oh, no spoiler tags on this board, eh. Nevermind.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 30, 2006, 10:01:59 AM
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You don't have a VCR?

 
I have TiVo B)  
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 10:16:25 AM
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I only watched Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Only Yesterday, and Pom Poko.

Only Yesterday was cute...
About the ending:
EDIT: Oh, no spoiler tags on this board, eh. Nevermind.
Well I finished seeing it last night so what about the ending?
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 30, 2006, 10:24:22 AM
Yeah, this board doesn't need spoiler tags.  *See: Snape kills Dumbledore.*
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 10:47:19 AM
:lol:

Even when I had them, they didn't get used that much.  Just use some spoiler space and you'll be fine.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 30, 2006, 08:34:49 PM
I have a vcr but I don't know how to set the timer to start recording at a later time.  And I find the blinking 12:00 very comforting especially in times of need like a couple nights ago.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 09:40:01 PM
Why not?  Did you lose the remote or something?
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 30, 2006, 09:59:44 PM
I need a TiVo.  I keep missing all of Fox's Sunday line-up.  And I'd rather go to bed at a normal time, rather than have to sit through crap like the Boondocks and 12oz Mouce to get to the watchable shows...
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 10:04:34 PM
With Tivo can you watch something else while you record?  I either have to program stuff to the second TV or watch a previously recorded show, which isn't so bad when my recordings pile up.  
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 30, 2006, 10:09:01 PM
I'm pretty sure you can, provided you have a subscription, without a subscription I know that you can only record what you're currently watching.

If I get one, I'll need $300 extra aside for the lifetime subscription...
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Post by: The D on Jan 30, 2006, 10:24:46 PM
RACOONS??? MOTHER FUCKING RACOONS????


Spirited Away -- Already seen, not bad.
Princess Mononoke -- My first Miazaki movie too. And one of my favorites.
Nausicaa -- Already seen, but still a favorite.
Laputa -- I had never seen this until now, and I actually enjoyed this a lot.
My Neighbor Totoro -- Already seen, didn't watch. Too kiddyish.
Porco Rosso -- I mentioned before I saw this, and it's not bad, but the ending left some things to be desired.
Whisper of the Heart -- I didn't watch this much. Didn't have enough airships and flying craft, or magic, or magical fantasy lands, or crazed people trying to take over the world, like all of Miazaki's good films.
Only Yesterday -- Didn't watch this much either.
Pom Poko -- A furry's favorite movie. But it was pretty good. But fuck "racoons"!!


They needed to play Kiki, Grave of the Fireflies, and the Cat Returns, even though the latter isn't Miazaki's.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 10:32:59 PM
If you didn't watch them simply due to the lack of fantasy elements, you really missed out.

I really don't see why they couldn't have just been called tanuki, but it's not like the movie really suffers because of it.  How many English speaking people watched that and said, "raccoon?  teh fuck?  that ain't no fucking raccoon!"  It's not like they were referred to as "raccoon dog" once.  At least the viewer could've googled "tanuki".  And that line about that one tanuki's nuts being his "raccoon pouch" was such a cop-out.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Jan 30, 2006, 10:49:51 PM
That Snape thing better not be true or I'll be all pissed off.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 30, 2006, 10:51:39 PM
Zero did it.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Jan 30, 2006, 10:53:39 PM
I hope it goes down like this in the movie... (http://ahasnapekill.ytmnd.com/)
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Post by: TM2 Rampage on Jan 30, 2006, 11:56:07 PM
God damnit,

it is shit like this that's the reason for why I haven't touched Half-Blood Prince since a couple days after it came out.
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Post by: tomduo on Jan 30, 2006, 11:59:12 PM
I don't care, because JK Rowling is so fucking lame.
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Post by: IDE on Jan 31, 2006, 12:00:19 AM
I keep ying to yell snape kills dumbledore but it makes me laugh so hard that it comes out more like SNHHHAHAH SNNNHHHAHHAAH.  So i packed it in and gave up on the spoiler business.

Except online where I can type it with ease.
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 31, 2006, 08:19:03 PM
I just grabbed the book the day Merla got it in the mail and skipped to end.  I never really even read it.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Jan 31, 2006, 09:46:02 PM
I put it on my msn nickname so everybody could see it and this guy IMed me , told me how mean I was for putting that shit in there and that he was gonna block me. I told him to get the fuck out, since when we don't have freedom of speech? and blocked him and deleted him first. (total loser, friend's ex bf.He should know about freedom of speech, his fucking uncle is one of the most famous journalists in Latin America. )
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Post by: B E C K on Jan 31, 2006, 09:56:58 PM
Ah yes, El Chupo Mencken.  We've all heard of him.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Feb 01, 2006, 12:40:16 AM
lol Cesar Hildebrandt.
Hah! see, not everybody in Latin America has a indian last name!
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 01, 2006, 02:02:09 AM
No, some just have Nazi ones.
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Post by: IDE on Feb 01, 2006, 03:53:00 AM
I didn't even know you guys had free speech down there.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Feb 01, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
We have DEFINITELY more freedom of speech than here.
actually, more freedom of anything. you can't do shit in this country. it sucks. just wait till the "no smoking in public places" reach philly, i'll be peacing out. fucking ny major!
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 01, 2006, 10:04:56 AM
But smoking spreads diseases and is just nasty.

We need to be able to smoke weed freely.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Feb 01, 2006, 10:02:37 PM
What about my freedom to breathe?
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Post by: Rama on Feb 01, 2006, 10:51:04 PM
Well there has to be a good soultion to what to do with all the smokers....


I know! We could build these camps see, and then we'll put them all on these trains and ship them to the camps..
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 01, 2006, 10:54:59 PM
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What about my freedom to breathe?
When you breathe in weed, you gain more freedoms than you know.
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Feb 01, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
If people want to smoke I have no problem with it. They can do it all they want in their own homes or outside where it's not enclosed enough to bother me.  I just don't want to ever have to walk into a restaurant again and be told I can't sit in the  "non smoking" section because it's out of place and be forced to choke on that filth while I try to eat and I certianly don't think people should be doing it in front of their kids.
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Feb 02, 2006, 07:40:34 AM
EEEVERYBODY has the right to smoke wherever they want to. If they want to fuck up their lungs, then it's their choice. if you don't like it, then get a big bubble like the bubble boy.
:smokes:
I'm trying to quit tho. I only smoke when I drink ( wait till someone says "so that means everyday haha". stupid.)
 
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Post by: Bitch on Feb 02, 2006, 10:00:30 AM
We can't legalize weed. If we legalize weed, millions of Maggies will die.

Or just one. Whatever.

Anyway, you can have up to an ounce at a time here and in Utah, that I know of.  
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Post by: Chopper Face 69 on Feb 02, 2006, 04:35:44 PM
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EEEVERYBODY has the right to smoke wherever they want to. If they want to fuck up their lungs, then it's their choice. if you don't like it, then get a big bubble like the bubble boy.
I should get a bubble and put you in it.
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 02, 2006, 05:00:31 PM
I was thinking of an iron maiden...
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Post by: B E C K on Feb 02, 2006, 10:05:59 PM
I went to this one Jim's and it was perfect.  There was an itty bitty part off to the side with no less than five small tables partitioned off from the rest of the diner with a clear piece of glass or something.  We only sat in that section because we didn't want to wait for another table to clear.  And plus more likely than not, you'll avoid kids.

The other day though I saw this couple, with the man holding the baby.  And the woman's puffing away and fussing over the baby, all while blowing smoke in the kid's face.  Sad sad sad.
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Post by: IDE on Feb 02, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
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EEEVERYBODY has the right to smoke pole wherever they want to...
Now there's a statement I can get infront of while it's on it's knees.
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Post by: B E C K on Feb 02, 2006, 11:00:11 PM
Watch out!  I hear EEEVERYBODY bites!
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 02, 2006, 11:10:39 PM
Everybody poops too.  There's a book about it.
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Post by: Wickedly Yours E on Feb 03, 2006, 12:34:27 AM
There's a book in the SCC bookstore I work in that's called "Why you should give a damn about gay marriages". And all I can think is "NO you cock-sucking author. I don't give two flying fucks about gay marriages and I never will. If a guy wants to bang a guy and then marry said guy I don't give two left Platypus testicles as long as they don't try to drag my heterosexual ass into it. Motherfucker."
...It's been a long, frustrating day. I needed to curse somewhere.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 03, 2006, 12:51:06 AM
This is the best place for cursing...and advertising!  I should know, being a street-savvy irreverent youth, who lives large yet hungers for that next level in life...you know Boost Mobile (http://whereyouat.net/) is the premium 'yooth foocus' communications group...  Where you at dawg!?  Indeed.

Now curse my ad!  I demand it!
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Post by: B E C K on Feb 03, 2006, 01:49:49 AM
I hate those commercials.
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 03, 2006, 02:07:57 AM
Send all complaints to webmaster@whereyouat.net (http://webmaster@whereyouat.net).

 
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Post by: Wickedly Yours E on Feb 03, 2006, 09:48:37 AM
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This is the best place for cursing...and advertising!  I should know, being a street-savvy irreverent youth, who lives large yet hungers for that next level in life...you know Boost Mobile (http://whereyouat.net/) is the premium 'yooth foocus' communications group...  Where you at dawg!?  Indeed.

Now curse my ad!  I demand it!
GRR! SPAM BAD! E SMASH!
You cock-eyed, pale faced little sorry excuse of peacock droppings! Street savvy? LIKE A BLIND, DEAF, AND DUMB DOG!!
I'll take the irreverent YOOOFFFF off the streets and throw them in the EMU PEN FOR SPORT! THEIR BLOOD WILL BE THE NEW PAINT FOR THEIR HOUSE! Their INTESTINES will FEED THE EMU'S FOR WEEKS!
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Post by: Faye Valentine on Feb 03, 2006, 10:24:38 AM
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EEEVERYBODY has the right to smoke pole wherever they want to...
Now there's a statement I can get infront of while it's on it's knees.
smoke pole?
hah
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 03, 2006, 10:26:14 AM
I have one question for all of you, a very simple, yet open-ended question:

(http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/contests/boost_Vwhrat.jpg)
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 03, 2006, 02:07:35 PM
!  
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Post by: B E C K on Feb 03, 2006, 07:46:11 PM
None your bizness where I be, biatch.  
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Post by: IDE on Feb 03, 2006, 08:25:33 PM
why I do believe you just got SERVED!
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 04, 2006, 12:15:43 AM
No open-ended question can be served, ever!  "So it is said, so it is written"*.





*See: The book of Served
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Post by: IDE on Feb 04, 2006, 02:23:02 AM
That old testament shit doesn't apply anymore.  Now anyone can get served at any time as long as they accept (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/IDE/icon_wade.gif) as their savior.

SERVED! SERVED! SERVED! SERVED!


Also, Cartoon Network showed Spirited Away tonight.

 
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 04, 2006, 09:24:33 AM
The new testament doesn't apply to me because I don't worship break dancing Jesus.
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 04, 2006, 02:38:29 PM
But he jived for your sins!
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 04, 2006, 02:53:49 PM
I believe he was a good dancer,  but not the illegitmate son of a break-dancing god.
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Post by: tomduo on Feb 04, 2006, 02:59:56 PM
You've never seen his around the world.
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Post by: Rama on Feb 04, 2006, 11:15:59 PM
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I believe he was a good dancer,  but not the illegitmate son of a break-dancing god.
You think Boogie Woogie Mary impreganted herself at that rollerdisco? I think not!  
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Post by: Extra Zero on Feb 05, 2006, 12:52:46 AM
Think what you want, but that ho was macking on like three brothers that night!
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Post by: Rama on Feb 06, 2006, 12:09:09 AM
How dare you speak about our Lady the Virgin Boogie Woogie Mary and our carmel colored savior in such a way!  
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Post by: Wickedly Yours E on Feb 06, 2006, 12:11:31 AM
..Carmel? I thought he was purple...
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Post by: Rama on Feb 06, 2006, 12:13:45 AM
Oh that's only when they are born...they change color later.  
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Post by: Bernie AKA on Feb 06, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
Read "carmel covered savior"  :lol:  
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Post by: Rama on Feb 06, 2006, 05:18:09 PM
Hmmm....Edible Messiahs, it'll be bigger then the Turtle!!!!