The Sphere
General Garbage => Tropical Paradise of Hard Shelled Fruits => Topic started by: B E C K on Jul 29, 2009, 03:31:06 AM
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It started shooting two days ago. Yippee.
http://www.screendaily.com/news/production/asia-pacific/apted-starts-australian-shoot-for-narnia-voyage-of-the-dawn-treader/5003964.article
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I wonder if they will film the Christian-overdrive final book?
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I'm really surprised they did any more of these. I didn't think they'd get past the first one and I was kinda shocked when Prince Caspin showed up.
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Surprised because of the Christian aspect?
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They're making this series kick ass and have christian overtones sounds like a win at the box office to me.
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Oh its one of those movies. I haven't seen any of them, would you say they would offend my atheist sensibilities ?
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Surprised because of the Christian aspect?
Somewhat. I mean I could see a studio fearing the backlash from something like that. These are the people that took the America out of G.I. Joe. Course the real heavy can't avoid it, it's a smack in the face and not a metaphor stuff isn't until like the last book.
And also because most people know there was a book called "The Lion, the Witch, and the Waradrobe." but the number that know there were other books drops after that.
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The second had very little Christian overtones. It was much more of a childrens 'Two Towers'.
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Yeah I've read it. I just didn't think they'd bother with making anything other then the first one since it wasn't as reconizeable as the first book, and I didn't think they'd want to go down a road they didn't have the balls to finish.
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The violence made the second my favorite.
Plus, Eddie Izzard as the Mouse Prince. How fucking win is that?
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Only if the mouse was in drag.
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Only if the mouse was in drag.
I kinda wanted to see that.
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I thought they were discontinuing the Narnia films after Caspian supposedly failed to live up to expectations.
But where Christian overtones are concerned in the first flick, whether it's offensive or not is immaterial since they're not pushing theology. Other than that, I don't know...I never read the books.
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Oh its one of those movies. I haven't seen any of them, would you say they would offend my atheist sensibilities ?
Kinda going to what Squirrel said, it never felt like any type of agenda was being foisted on me. Although I've also never read the books.
I thought they were discontinuing the Narnia films after Caspian supposedly failed to live up to expectations.
Walden Media is fully intent on going through the entire series. However, because of Caspian's "underperformance" Disney--who was needed to front half of the production costs--wanted to tighten purse-strings. So Walden Media will be working in conjuction with 20th Century Fox instead.
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I thought they were discontinuing the Narnia films after Caspian supposedly failed to live up to expectations.
But where Christian overtones are concerned in the first flick, whether it's offensive or not is immaterial since they're not pushing theology. Other than that, I don't know...I never read the books.
It made enough money, it wasn't a double-down, but then how often have they seeded the first movie?
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I think Santa should show up and hand out weapons in every movie.
And I don't mean just Narnia movies.
EVERY MOVIE.
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That would rock.
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It would have made "The Santa Clause" a far shorter and better movie.
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No way, it would've made it a longer and better movie.
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I think Santa should show up and hand out weapons in every movie.
And I don't mean just Narnia movies.
EVERY MOVIE.
LUKE! THE EMPIRE HAS SIEGED ORD MANTELL! WE WILL NEVER GET FREE!
HOHOHO! Who needs some new X-Wings and some badass lightsabers? Red and green for the holiday season.
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No way, it would've made it a longer and better movie.
Well I just figured that as soon as Tim Allen came out and yelled at Santa on his roof. Instead of falling off said roof, he'd just mow him down with automatic fire. Since Allen is Disney's bitch and he would be dead the movie would be over. I guess you could follow Santa as he kills everyone that sees him. Hey, maybe that's why no one has ever actually seen him. The orginal ending of "The Night Before Christmas" was Santa putting a Sidewinder missle into that house as he flew out of sight saying Merry Christmas to all and now you're all gonna die.
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Oh, I was thinking more that after Tim Allen becomes Santa, he becomes an international arms dealer. There's a wealth of plot there.
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I still have my set of books from 6th grade - we read them for religion class (Lutheran school). I'll re-read them every other year or so. It does have a theological slant and there are some situations or passages I can point to and say "Christian", but the themes are pretty universal to any beliefs and I didn't find it heavy-handed.
LW & W was probably my least favorite one. I really liked the Silver Chair, the one nobody remembers.
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Yeah I've read it and I've forgot about it. LOL!
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To be honest, and to betray my literary ignorance, when I first saw this thread title I thought it was a Blade ripoff. Dawn Treader ~ Day Walker....
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Water Treader... Tread Miller...
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(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6876/dennismiller.jpg)
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*stomach growls*
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Silver Chair was very memorable in class - we would read a chapter every day silently for the first 20 minutes, than have discussion, blah, blah. One of the characters decides that, in order to fool some enimies, they will all have to "be gay". Another character declares, "All right, gay's the word!" Not the best phrasing for a bunch of 6th-graders: Silence, page turning, then one after another: "SNORTsputtersnickersnicker!!" until Pastor finally asked what was going on and gave a lecture on unforseen shifts in language.
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Yeah I know what you mean. Rimjob use to be such a nobel and nice word in the old english, but now it's just been ruined.
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Bill Miller's, just one of many stops on the Heart Attack Highway. :headbang:
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And how! I'm starving!
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I only like dry rub BBQ, because the stuff with the sauce on it is sweet and I don't like it sweet.
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Don't know where you're coming from, dry rub chafes like hell.
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Not when I apply it, I'm gentle.
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If I had known something I would say would be taken sexually at this board I wouldn't have posted it all. For shame.
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What? I was talking about applying a dry rub to a brisket before letting it smoke for 12 hours. You gotta have the pink smoke ring, or else you fucked it up and it's inedible. INEDIBLE!
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YOU KNOW WHAT I'M PISSED ABOUT:
WHERE THE FUCK IS "THE HORSE AND HIS BOY"
I fucking loved that book, I think its actually my favorite in the series. Barely has the fucknut children. I actually found the horse to be a better fucking character than all of them. GIVE ME MY FUCKING MOVIE
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It was a tie between that & Silver Chair for me - SC narrowly edged because a couple of the scenes creeped me out in my tender years.
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It was a tie between that & Silver Chair for me - SC narrowly edged because a couple of the scenes creeped me out in my tender years.
I can see what you mean, but I also have to say FUCK THAT GIVE ME THE HORSE AND HIS BOY DAMNIT!
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Is that post supposed to remind me of Equus?
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Is that post supposed to remind me of Equus?
Uh . . . wait . . . Are you talking about that play with the Potter boy all naked and rubbing against a horse?
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Yeah, and he's fantasizing about C.S.Lewis. I mean, who wouldn't?
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Yeah, and he's fantasizing about C.S.Lewis. I mean, who wouldn't?
Who HASN'T?!
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Yeeeeaaaah, you know what I'm talking about. ;)
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Yeeeeaaaah, you know what I'm talking about. ;)
Masturbating to the Screwtape letters is THE BEST.
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That picture of food is making ME hungry.
I remember the Dawn Treader as being one of my favorite books in the series. I think I enjoyed the whole idea of exploring the uncharted seas. Plus, that douchebag Eustance eventually gets his when he gets turned into the dragon, although I don't think I'd be whining about being a dragon, I'd be burning shit down and owning that mideval world.
I can't remember what other book I liked just as much, but I think it was the horse and his boy, after looking them all up.
Wikipedia's article says the christian themes were unintentional. There's mention that there's other mythologies weaved into the stories as well. I figure the only way you'd notice Christian themes in the books or movies is if you were actually looking hard for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narnia#Christian_parallels
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That picture of food is making ME hungry.
I remember the Dawn Treader as being one of my favorite books in the series. I think I enjoyed the whole idea of exploring the uncharted seas. Plus, that douchebag Eustance eventually gets his when he gets turned into the dragon, although I don't think I'd be whining about being a dragon, I'd be burning shit down and owning that mideval world.
I can't remember what other book I liked just as much, but I think it was the horse and his boy, after looking them all up.
Wikipedia's article says the christian themes were unintentional. There's mention that there's other mythologies weaved into the stories as well. I figure the only way you'd notice Christian themes in the books or movies is if you were actually looking hard for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narnia#Christian_parallels
Welcome to the world my parents live in. If they can make it about God, they will.
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It's a matter of perspective. There were themes in the Lord of the Rings books that could be looked upon as Christian, too, but it doesn't make the work the same as Pilgrim's Progress.
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DUDE.
I gave my parents Narnia because the man did have some truly Christian works, so I said fine, maybe he did it but didn't want people to know or some bullshit like that.
However, I have literally argued with my parents about LOTR. Even if Tolkein came back across the seas from Elf-land and told them to their face, they would still argue the books were Christian-themed. ITS RIDICULOUS. FML
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See, that's just it. Tolkien outright denies the allegorical nature of his work, but that only means that those picked out by the observant were unintentional, not that they don't exist. People find themes of conservationism, the dread of war, and the hope of faith. And these make sense, as Tolkien himself was a Roman Catholic environmentalist who lost most of his young friends in World War I. He can't claim with honesty that his writings were not influenced even in the smallest way by the important notions which hold sway in his life.
But here's where any reason to obsess over it falls apart: sure, you can champion the so-called Christian themes (humanity suffering under the lordship of a fallen yet superior despot--Sauron--and his fell band--Nazgul, Orcs, et. al.; overcoming temptation out of dedication to an ideal; the setting apart/sanctification of the Fellowship; the crowning of the king at the dawn of a new age; etc.) of the work, but that requires one to also deal with the clearly occultic themes (the garnering of powet through talismans--the rings; use of "magical" arts to direct actions and do battle; use of runes as basis of most languages within the work; superior created beings who physically and directly interact with and among mortal men while imparting gnostic insights of another realm, a "spirit" world; etc.) that can be seen side-by-side with them. In fact, I know many Christians who would not approve of the books/films for this very reason. Then again, they probably disapprove of Masters of the Universe, too, so I don't necessarily hold with them on that.
In the end, it's totally unimportant. People read into things what they will, but, so what? It has nothing to do with it as taken at face value. It's just something to talk about and keep something going. And that's a given in any group of devotees, whether the LOTR fandom, Christians, and particularly a combination of the two. But it's no reason to get bent out of shape over it, either. Yes, such themes do exist, but they aren't really important in any meaningful way.
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Not to mention that the three heroes-Gandalf, Bilbo ,and Frodo-were total queens.
GOD HATES FAGS!
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You heard it here: Derrick = Fred Phelps.
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Did I blame the sack of Osgiliath on homosexuality in Gondor? Or the fall of Fornost with Arnor's acceptance of Rhun religions? No.
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But for the record, that's exactly why that happened.
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Also, Children of Hurin was not a bad read. Perhaps a film adaptation of this will happen in the far future. Or not.
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I enjoyed it, too. But I'm very much wary of anything from the Silmarillion or its coterie of works ever being brought to film. It'd be lovely if it worked, but it'd most likely come out a mess...just way too spread out over time.
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Well, since Hurin was a full on novel it's likely to have a better state. Having a recognizable foe the entire time helps (the dragon, I don't feel like looking shit up right now). I don't feel like they could capture some of the emotion from the book, but I felt that way about LotR proper as well, and I was greatly surprised.
A word of note, if you're going to get your friend who has never really even heard of LotR to watch the films, do no used the extended version. You will fail.
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Why? Everyone loves the Legolas/Gimli relationship
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Well, since Hurin was a full on novel it's likely to have a better state.
Disagreed. I'd think Hurin would be nonsense to those who'd never read Silmarillion.
A word of note, if you're going to get your friend who has never really even heard of LotR to watch the films, do no used the extended version. You will fail.
Coincidentally, the EE is what got me into the whole thing. I never saw the theatrical version of Fellowship...I saw my brother's copy of it right before Two Towers came out. After TTT pissed me off (due to having no start or end), I bought the combined books and read them over the course of a week, eventually reading most of the early stuff.
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Well, since Hurin was a full on novel it's likely to have a better state.
Disagreed. I'd think Hurin would be nonsense to those who'd never read Silmarillion.
Hurin could be done right, especially since it's nothing more than a hero's tale.
Coincidentally, the EE is what got me into the whole thing. I never saw the theatrical version of Fellowship...I saw my brother's copy of it right before Two Towers came out. After TTT pissed me off (due to having no start or end), I bought the combined books and read them over the course of a week, eventually reading most of the early stuff.
I only saw the movies because Kary wanted to see the second on a date. The next christmas, I bought the extended edition and showed all three to my brother. He loved it.
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Well I guess they guy I showed it to was just a fucking moron then. He was of the South Park opinion: These movies are about walking around a lot.
I did read the Silmarillion before reading Children of Hurin, however, I'm not sure if I remembered anything from the former when I read the latter, but I'm absolutely sure I had a good time.
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It's a mythology book, not an adventure book. I think anyone reading it thinking it'd be Lord of the Rings would be alerted to this by the first story.
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I remember that much.
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It was certainly hard to follow in places, but it wasn't a problem after going through it the second time.
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A word of note, if you're going to get your friend who has never really even heard of LotR to watch the films, do no used the extended version. You will fail.
That must of been very painful for the both of you. Assuming he got through the whole thing and you were stuck there next to him.
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A word of note, if you're going to get your friend who has never really even heard of LotR to watch the films, do no used the extended version. You will fail.
That must of been very painful for the both of you. Assuming he got through the whole thing and you were stuck there next to him.
He gave up I think near the end of Two Towers. I showed him all the battle scenes though, he liked those.
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Oh wow, and here I thought you didn't get through Fellowship. He's a trooper. ROTK was the most boring one IMO.
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I'm getting frustrated with acronyms because I read that as ROTF. FUUUUUUUU
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Two Towers was the one I had a hard time with, not for the movie itself, but the fact there was no start or end. ROTK was fine except for the crappy way it ended, and ended, and ended, and ended again.
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Two Towers was the one I had a hard time with, not for the movie itself, but the fact there was no start or end. ROTK was fine except for the crappy way it ended, and ended, and ended, and ended again.
My friend who didn't like these movies somehow ending up watching the end (I guess its after a battle or something) and he said just that.
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ROTK was fine except for the crappy way it ended, and ended, and ended, and ended again.
Ha,ha, yeah. I still remember the groans from the audience when it turned out it wasn't ending after all.
What's ROTF? Return of the Fonz?
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Revenge of the Fallen
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Gross. I like mine better. Heeeeeey.
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Sit on it.
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You sit on it! And, like, spin.
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*watched the Church of the Fonz Family Guy episode last night*
And may the Fonz be with you.
And with you as well.
Let me get an Aaayyyyy...
Aaayyyy...
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Great episode.
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Ha ha, yeah. I saw about ten minutes of it myself.
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Go watch the rest of it.
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Too late. Besides, I'm kinda sick of Family Guy right now anyway. It was all I cared to stomach.
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In that episode Quagmire tells Peter of his latest sexual adventure as if to confess, and Peter tells him that his religion doesn't forbid sex. And then Quagmire says that he's telling EVERYONE about it.
And it got me thinking about starting my own church of a fictional character. the Church of Quagmire... for anyone who's a pervert, horny, likes bad sexual humor, or just really really appreciates hot chicks.
So of course IDE would be one of the head priests.
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This sounds like my kind of religion.