The Sphere
General Garbage => Tropical Paradise of Hard Shelled Fruits => Topic started by: B E C K on May 27, 2008, 06:59:19 PM
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Those words almost make me sick. :P
http://www.anythingblack.net/funniest-obama-thing-ive-seen-yes-we-can/
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Kang: Fooling these Earth voters is easier than expected.
Kodos: Yes. All they want to hear are bland pleasantries embellished by an occasional saxophone solo or infant kiss.
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Good lord. Blech.
If he gets elected, prepare for DNC bullshit. x.x
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Well you should vote for McCain then, cause only an act of god is going to get Hillary the nomination.
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McCain will take away our abortions! Abortions are the American way!
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Well then you should vote for Obama. =P
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Lend me your DeLorean and I'll just go abort McCain and Obama.
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If I had it working do you think I'd be here?
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Change so profound that the word gained a new definition...more of the same but with Democrats fucking everything up instead of Republicans.
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I lost my love of the DNC after 2007. We gave them majorities to do things, and I understand they don't have a fillabuster-proof majority. They have done nothing. Now the leaders support Obama, I see nothing good coming from a term of his presidency. People really can't vote for a person out of anger.
Hillary is gonna sit there and erode him away until the convention. She has every right to, and no one will make her drop out until she wants to. Now I know people compare that to Bush in Iraq... which has been happening alot with her lately, but regardless of that silly comparison she should sit there.
I fail to see how Clinton will electrify the rednecks in America, but a black man with a muslim name born from an interracial couple won't.
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Did you mix "will" and "won't"?
I'm not on board all this crap about her dropping out either. I agree that she was right in sticking it out as much as possible. Dammit though, Obama's only 47 away. I really don't know which one is worse, him or McCain. =\ Obama's all "change we can believe in" but what change!? It sounds like he's coined his "I'm lovin' it"/"Just do it" catchphrase and just ran away with the nomination from that. Did he even DO anything as a senator?
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Pass energy bills that favor the energy corporations... which support him. Oh wait, he doesn't take money from lobbyists. The corporation employees just donate to his campaign freely. Donating does nothing but feed the media corporations, anyways.
I find it creepy many who supported Bush in 2000, support Obama. They know he's the DNC Bush.
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I'm not voting this year, unless it's for Bob Barr. To hell with McCain't and the Obamanation.
The way I see it, everything's going to melt down in the next four years. Whoever wins this year is doomed. Being on the conservative side, I'd just as soon the Democrats defeat the moderate Republican candidate and captain the sinking ship straight onto the shore of a massive victory for a renewed conservative Republican party in 2012.
The only thing that gives me pause is the damage that can be done in that four year period...it'd be tough to rescue the government (not to mention the rest of us) from the Obamanation's outright socialist designs. For me, Clitton's more desireable than either front-runner, but that's like asking if I'd rather get fucked in the ass or in the pee-hole.
The only way out of the country being shot to hell in the next few years is an asteroid destroying Washington, D.C., during the '09 State of the Union Address. That'd take care of half our problems right there, and then I'll be eligible to run in 2016.
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So you're not concerned that Hillary sticking it out to the bitter end might divide the party and allow McCain to basicly sneak in the White House back door?
Not that I care....I don't associate myself with any one party so if that happens it doesn't really bother me. I don't really think there is a good canadiate this year....or for the last couple of election for that matter. I just try to pick what I think is going to be the lesser of two evils.
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So you picked Bush? Bush is way more evil than that walking pussy-sack of ketchup Kerry. Duuuude.
"Clitton". :lol:
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Awwwww, she looks so sad here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/04/hillaryclinton.uselections20084?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
So that's it: Friendly, old, anti-choice, war-monger vet or Abdullah-"change I frankly don't believe in" who looks 12 in a baseball cap and takes corporate handouts. Boo.
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So you picked Bush? Bush is way more evil than that walking pussy-sack of ketchup Kerry. Duuuude.
"Clitton". :lol:
Well maybe I should say that I picked what I thought was going to be the lesser of two evils AT THE TIME. If Bush was up for re-election again I doubt I'd vote for him, but he's not. So it's a moot point.
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He already had four years fucking up the White House and about five fucking up Texas, you knew what you were getting into. :mad: I still curse that I wasn't of voting age when that bastard beat Ann Richards. And now she's dead, goddammit! DEAD! :finger:
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The shock must have killed her.
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Might as well write your vote in for me.
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Oh we moved away from a Monarchy over two hundred years ago...so I don't think they'll accept a write in of "King Douchebag."
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But I'm only a Count.
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1... 2... 3... ahahahaaa
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Explains why he is always playing his organ.
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So you're not concerned that Hillary sticking it out to the bitter end might divide the party and allow McCain to basicly sneak in the White House back door?
Hillary's the crazy bitch you used to date but never really got the hint. She's not out of it until they throw her out. And I think it's absolutely glorious. I just wish Huckabee had stayed in the Republican campaign both to keep McCain's inadequacies front-and-center and show how a guerilla campaign is waged for the good of all future no-name non-millionaire candidates of either party.
And if anyone wishes for Kerry rather than Bush, you're crazy. We would have only gotten a four-year leg-up on the economic oblivion and case of international limp-dick that awaits us in the Obama administration.
The last best hope for this nation is for an asteroid to hit the Capitol building during the 2009 State of the Union address. No matter how you look at it, we're all fucked.
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I really don't think Kerry would have changed anything. We'd still be stuck in Iraq, the economy would still be for shits, and the price of oil would still be higher then Tommy Chong on a friday night. I think those things where unavoidable no matter who was president, and I don't expect a great huge change will happen....just more of the same.
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With the gas now officially over $4 (it's been over $4 for almost a month here) I really think the world's going to shit. People are now stealing gas out of parked cars by drilling holes in gas tanks. I expect any time now people killing each other for a tank of gas like it's the apocolypse. I don't think McCain or Obama can stop the coming end, but I may just jump on the Obama train as he's young and classy and not a hypocritical old fart.
No presidential canidate has the balls to do what is necessary to lower gas prices - take a huge mob of angry (hummer and escalade driving) Americans and invade the oil companies and slaughter the CEOs. Or kill the leaders of the OPEC nations and take over the countries, as they're the ones raising the price of barrels of oil.
Or we could just nuke China to death for stealing most of the world's oil. Tough times call for tough measures.
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But I'm only a Count.
(http://kingdomofstyle.typepad.co.uk/photos/uncategorized/sesame_street_count_dracula.jpg)
The Count for President 2008
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Gas prices are complex. You have the crude prices, which are dictated by the OPEC cartel, the speculation market, and (probably the biggest part of the problem) the drop in the value of the dollar. You have refining costs, particularly in the goofy-ass summer formulations. There's the transportation costs (it takes gas to haul gas), and then there's increasing taxes, which aren't being addressed on either the state or federal levels.
Judging by things Obama has said and what his party's been doing, their only plan is to tax the oil companies (which, like all corporate taxes, is passed on to the consumers), continue to keep local reserves on ice (literally, considering ANWR), and generally increase taxes on people in general. The Republicans, despite being in Big Oil's back pocket and doing their best to appear Democratic these days, don't support either three.
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(probably the biggest part of the problem) the drop in the value of the dollar.
You know this one annoys me the most...the dollar is hurting because Americans arn't spending. Americans arn't spending cause they are afraid they won't be able to afford things like Gas, that have had huge price hikes lately. So the dollar loses value and the price of gas goes up further decreasing the dollar. It's just a big desturctive cycle that really doesn't work. I mean unless your goal is to cause the whole system to collapse in on it's self. Then it's working like a charm.
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Gas is only about $3.69 here, but I still take my bike everywhere because that's still too expensive.
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Heard that.
The value of a dollar has more to do with the fact that lowered interest rates. When the Federal Reserve reduced rates, the European Central Bank and other currency exchanges didn't reciprocate, so the difference caused reduced willingness to invest in the dollar because of less return on investment...while good for borrowers, it's bad for investers. Also, with the proliferation of the euro and the diversification of portfolios with regard to currency holdings, there are more dollars on the market, which reduced their value (the rarer the product, the more value is ascribed to it...just like in collecting).
Because oil is traded in dollars, the reduced value of the dollar on the world market and increasing investment in other currencies such as the euro means paying more dollars for oil...as it does for other imports. Inflation will become a problem in the near future. The fact that China is on the same wavelength means product from there will retain the same general price relative to what it is now, but the fact that they're so heavily invested in them also means we have to pussyfoot with them so they don't liquidate their investments, dumping more dollars on the world market and making them worth about as much as Confederate money.
Now the good part is that U.S. manufacturing prospers because goods made here are cheaper abroad, spurring U.S. exports. However, with U.S. manufacturing steadily moving out due to cheaper labor and less retarded and lower percentage tax structures found elsewhere, this isn't as good a situation as it used to be. It also means that treasury bonds will be more attractive investments due to lower costs and higher interest yields, but mortgage rates will remain high. Hopefully people'll concentrate on domestic investing and not mortgage everything to the hilt in the process.
The spending problem doesn't really factor into the weak dollar, just the local economy. But here's something that should be noticed by every man, woman and child in this country: May spending was up and companies had more sales because of the stimulus checks that went out. Basically, giving people more money causes them to spend more. So explain how lowering taxes doesn't stimulate spending and investment?
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I don't like that Obama bin Changin' wants to raise corporate taxes. He also loses at "mandatory healthcare for children". Fuck the children. At least Hillary included everybody. Even fricken Edwards did that much.
As for gas, bring back the electric car, bitches. This need for big car and oil companies to make the rest of us suck at their tit when the tech exists is ridiculous.
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I heard the us oil people are charging the same amount that opec is charging even though the oil isn't imported. Is this true? If so then some people need to be killed.
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I don't like that Obama bin Changin' wants to raise corporate taxes. He also loses at "mandatory healthcare for children". Fuck the children. At least Hillary included everybody. Even fricken Edwards did that much.
As for gas, bring back the electric car, bitches. This need for big car and oil companies to make the rest of us suck at their tit when the tech exists is ridiculous.
Edwards and Hillary have only supported him because they've had to.
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As for gas, bring back the electric car, bitches. This need for big car and oil companies to make the rest of us suck at their tit when the tech exists is ridiculous.
The problem is that you still need oil to make the cheap-ass plastic the thing would be made of, and you'll need electricity made using fossil fuels (coal, natural gas) or nuclear powet. There's still so much that must be addressed, but there's a good way and a bad way to jumpstart this. Taxing the shit out of energy producers and jacking up prices in the meanwhile is the bad way.
I heard the us oil people are charging the same amount that opec is charging even though the oil isn't imported. Is this true? If so then some people need to be killed.
You're probably thinking about what Noire said about it on BONR (http://bonr.shwiggie.com/index.php/topic,4961.0.html). The short version is that it's not that simple.
Oil is traded on an open market, and companies won't sell an openly-rated product significantly below market price, or they'd lose their ass. Regulation could be used to reduce the amount they take in, but the problem with that is that any losses will invariably be passed on to the consumer. Just deal with the fact that companies exist to make money; otherwise, you're looking at socialized oil, which would be more of a disaster than socialized health-care will be. And the fact that they do make money is good for everyone who owns a mutual fund or IRA, as those accounts often invest in and therefore benefit from profits in the oil industry.
The open market is also where OPEC wields its powet...because it controls such a large percentage of oil output and monitors the output of other nations, it can restrict or increase production at will to control the prices. This is where many get the idea that it'd do no good to drill on our own, because it'd be a drop in the bucket that wouldn't make much difference, and OPEC would change output to compensate. Which I can't really fault them for, as oil production is pretty much all those asshats are good for with regard to the rest of the world.
However, there are at least two problems with the argument that it'd do no good. First, it'd be a hell of a lot more than a drop in the bucket. The U.S. is the third-largest oil producer in the world behind Russia and OPEC. Considering the recent finds in the Rockies and availability in the Gulf of Mexico and ANWR, the U.S. could produce far, far more than it already is without fear of running out anytime soon. And that doesn't even consider the absolutely enormous find off the coast of Brazil, a country that's already largely on an sugar cane ethynol economy and can now be energy independent as well as a huge exporter of oil.
Therefore, the impact of any retaliatory OPEC action will be minimized...not that they can afford to restrict oil reserves too much; they don't have anything else that makes money, except the tourism industry which is fucked because of crazy-ass terrorists running around lopping off the heads of the infidel. And they can't drink oil to live, so they're over a barrel (or an oil drum, as the case may be) any way you look at it.
In addition to increasing supplies and marginalizing OPEC, it would deal a killer one-two punch to the economics of the market that keep the prices up. For starters, just as more dollars on the market lower their value, more oil on the market lowers cost. This is particularly important given the increasing demand for it...just as the old woman who pissed in the sea, even a little bit helps. Also, oil from us is automatically cheaper on the world market precisely because of the weak dollar, so we'd have another advantage going in. It would also drastically lower speculation of oil futures, as having a more stable supply from a country not ruled by barbarians from the 7th century will reduce market risk. The futures market is a huge factor in current crude costs.
But even if all U.S. companies procured their own oil (most have supply deals with individual exporters, but that doesn't change the market price), enabling them to drill for more oil domestically makes a hell of a lot more sense, as then we could regulate exports to keep the oil in a closed market and thereby price it to whatever the fuck we wanted. But the fact that it's not a closed market is what makes regulation a poor option that does nothing to help the situation as it exists.
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Aaa i love living in center city and not needing a car to go to work
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Aaa i love living in center city and not needing a car to go to work
I love living on campus and not needing a car to do much of anything.
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well yeah i dont need a car for anything either. I'm glad philadelphia has a great transportation service, you can get a bus/train to go ANYWHERE. <3 philly yo
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I just wish San Antonio was as walk-friendly and had better public transport as your cities. Just because we have so much land doesn't mean everything has to be so fucking spread out. =\
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*cough Miami cough*
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I like to take the train too......wait no. Well at least the bus still come....no, that doesn't happen either....I could always call at Taxi....no, no...can't do that either. Well I'm boned.
More reason to get the hell of dodge I say.
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Yes, move to the coasts. Better civilization.
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I'm convinced that where I live is the safest in the nation.
We're far enough away from the coast to avoid hurricanes. We're far enough away from large bodies of water to avoid flooding There's something about our geography that helps manage tornadoes and assorted wind problems (as opposed to plains, which are tornadic killing fields). We're far enough from fault lines to avoid earthquakes. I don't know of any volcanoes nearby. We're far enough away from substantive municipalities that we don't have major crime risks and have the right to do something about it ourselves if the day ever comes.
The only problem we have is the occasional thunderstorm and the eventual asteroid. Keep your civilization!
And as I say this, I'll become the victim of a murder-death-killer on a day with high wind and lightning strikes during Third Impact.
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Yes, move to the coasts. Better civilization.
Yeah....I don't think so. I'd rather not get flooded out or dead from a hurrican thank you very much.
My list of places that I'd consider moving too is rather small. Most of the coast is out, especially in the south. I also I'm tired of the cold and snow so that leaves out most northern states as well. I don't really have an desire to live in Cali either...so I'm kinda limited.
But I do know that I won't be living in the sticks anymore if I do move.
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I'm convinced that where I live is the safest in the nation.
We're far enough away from the coast to avoid hurricanes. We're far enough away from large bodies of water to avoid flooding There's something about our geography that helps manage tornadoes and assorted wind problems (as opposed to plains, which are tornadic killing fields). We're far enough from fault lines to avoid earthquakes. I don't know of any volcanoes nearby. We're far enough away from substantive municipalities that we don't have major crime risks and have the right to do something about it ourselves if the day ever comes.
The only problem we have is the occasional thunderstorm and the eventual asteroid. Keep your civilization!
And as I say this, I'll become the victim of a murder-death-killer on a day with high wind and lightning strikes during Third Impact.
Where the hell do you live? Any town with no tornadoes and no creepy old men trying to get me in their car sounds awesome.
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I believe Squirrel lives in Missi-pippy.
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That's "Miss'ippi".
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Who would ever want to live there?
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Yes, move to the coasts. Better civilization.
Yeah....I don't think so. I'd rather not get flooded out or dead from a hurrican thank you very much.
My list of places that I'd consider moving too is rather small. Most of the coast is out, especially in the south. I also I'm tired of the cold and snow so that leaves out most northern states as well. I don't really have an desire to live in Cali either...so I'm kinda limited.
But I do know that I won't be living in the sticks anymore if I do move.
The only people who die during hurricanes are idiots. And if you're in high elevation, you will never be flooded.
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Philly doesn't get any weather-related disaster, just a super high crime rate.
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Who would ever want to live there?
Aside from the afore-mentioned safety reasons, it's far cheaper to live here, and if you don't like dealing with neighbors you can live as far away from them as you want.
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All I know is I gotta get out of here before New Madrid decides it's time to let lose again. The aftershocks alone of the 1812 quake where stronger then the quake that hit San Francisco in 1906.
And the only Southern Coastal City I've considered was Savannah, but you couldn't pay me enough to live in Florida. It's just the idea of it.
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I don't consider Florida to be a southern state. It's like a mislaid strip of land from some other area.
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Cuba.
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Pretty much, well except for the people of north florida, they would disagree and want to be included in the grits coalition.
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So would that make them a part of Georgia? I guess it's time to Bobbitize America's wang and send it floating away.
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When I first moved up there for school. My mom was with me at some store, I forget which one, but she was talking to the cashier about how nice everyone was around there and the cashier said something like it's because tallahassee is really southern georgia.
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Georgia is a wierd state, but South Florida is horrid. South-West Florida is nice, it's really only Miami and Orlando which are the asshole portions, with Miami being Cuban and Orlando being superbiblebastards.
But yeah, deep south life = anal rape and cross burnings. No thanx plz
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Spoken like someone who truly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
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But that's how it is in the movies...it must be true.
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Not to mention the kudzu. Japan didn't just take over your kids.
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I agree with Squirrel. We should drill the hell out of Alaska. Fuck the polar bears. If they don't like it they can move to Canada.
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I think we should just switch to some other energy source as a big fuck you to all those arab pigs.
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Popular Mechanics/Science in the 50s said that we'd have fusion generators in our house/cars by now. LIES! Where the fuck's my Mr. Fusion dammit?!
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We do really need to shrink our dependence on oil period...not just foreign oil. Drilling for more here is just a Band-Aid on a bigger problem.
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Yeah, agreed. They can make electric cars with the same performance as gasoline cars. Yet, we don't. W T F. I just await for the day when the oil runs out... then the Saudis will vanish back into the sand.
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More of Bio-Fuel supporter myself. That way we can sell the oil to the Arabs and ass rape them. Because they ain't growing shit in sand.
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I agree with Squirrel. We should drill the hell out of Alaska. Fuck the polar bears. If they don't like it they can move to Canada.
The polar bears will all be dead soon anyway.
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How are you planning on supplying powet to an electricar...pedalling? We're operating at capacity as it is: imagine putting millions of cars on charge on top of it. Instant blackout! Plus, battery technology is far too limited to make it worthwhile. An electricar doesn't have the range of a conventional vehicle (particularly for highway driving) and recharging one takes too damn long.
As for biofuels, would you rather be able to afford food while breathing dirty air, or starve to death in a pristine, aromatic cave? A big cause of food prices going up (particularly hard-hitting in poor regions of the world) is the fact that your government doles out billions in tax credits to farmers to grow cr0n for ethynol production, diverting percentages formerly going to the food supply and not having a prayer of being economical without such huge subsidies.
We're not running out of oil anytime soon. We can (BTW, we already are!) develop alternative sources while drilling the fuck out of the earth, which will survive far more than we could ever throw at it. And then we'll be in the position to tell the Arabs to use their oil derricks for drinking fountains...or suppositories. There's just no other viable alternative available to us over the next few decades.
The polar bears will all be dead soon anyway.
This is what I think of a mother-loving polar bear:
(http://shwiggie.com/boards/sig_pics/punisher-vs-polarbear.jpg)
Over 95% of all creatures that ever lived on the earth are now extinct. Putting one more on the list doesn't matter to a hill of beans. Even so, drilling there won't kill them any more than running the pipeline there killed off the caribou (who cottoned to the warmth supplied by it and are doing better now than before).
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As for biofuels, would you rather be able to afford food while breathing dirty air, or starve to death in a pristine, aromatic cave? A big cause of food prices going up (particularly hard-hitting in poor regions of the world) is the fact that your government doles out billions in tax credits to farmers to grow cr0n for ethynol production, diverting percentages formerly going to the food supply and not having a prayer of being economical without such huge subsidies.
I'm not worried about food prices in the long run. Supply will meet up with demand. Most agricultural nations are not producing nearly as much as they could. In fact it's been on the decline in the last several decades. Same thing happened when the Cotton Gin came along. The cotton being produced couldn't keep up with the demand that was placed on it and it shot up in price, but it came back down as soon as more people started growing cotton. The same will happen here. In the short term food prices will go up, but they will balance out. In fact there may come a day when it's more profitable to sell it for food, then fuel. We could think about just the short term, but that's what got us in this spot to begin with.
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Don't forget the virus that will eventually come in and kill a shitload of people, making more food and oil available. You know it's gonna happen.
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Isn't that what the AIDs is already doing?
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It was doing good enough in the 80's but lately it's been slacking off.
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Don't worry...Super Aids is coming.
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Pfft, probably the viral equivalent to Superdog.
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We're all going to die of cancer or something equally mundane. Too much radiation from satellites, cell towers, and other high frequency bombardment in addition to traditional UV rays and humanity's continued physical devolution.
I'm not worried about food prices in the long run. Supply will meet up with demand. Most agricultural nations are not producing nearly as much as they could. In fact it's been on the decline in the last several decades. Same thing happened when the Cotton Gin came along. The cotton being produced couldn't keep up with the demand that was placed on it and it shot up in price, but it came back down as soon as more people started growing cotton. The same will happen here. In the short term food prices will go up, but they will balance out. In fact there may come a day when it's more profitable to sell it for food, then fuel. We could think about just the short term, but that's what got us in this spot to begin with.
Zimbabwe being an ideal example...it was the breadbasket of Africa until Mugabe took over, and now the populace is starving and having to import food. Don't expect them (or most other nations in similar shape) to come back online anytime in this generation. And forget about an increase in American food production...rather the opposite, so long as incentives to grow for ethynol continue to interfere.
No, it won't balance out at this rate, and I don't see this problem as being at all similar to the cotton industry prior to the advent of the cotton gin. The problem with cotton before Eli Whitney's invention was not the supply of cotton itself (as is the case with the current food problem) but one of cleaning the fiber and making a usable product out of it more quickly, easily, and more economically. There is no "cr0n gin" that can come along and fix the problem we're experiencing with higher cr0n, as the problem is squarely on square one: supply.
Conversely, the problem with oil prices is primarily one of supply, with lower than necessary refining capacity, ridiculous investing in oil futures, ongoing OPEC price tampering, and U.S. government stupidity thrown into the mix.
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Zimbabwe being an ideal example...it was the breadbasket of Africa until Mugabe took over, and now the populace is starving and having to import food. Don't expect them (or most other nations in similar shape) to come back online anytime in this generation.
And extreme example you mean.
And forget about an increase in American food production...rather the opposite, so long as incentives to grow for ethynol continue to interfere.
And those are to get the framework off the ground. Those will not keep going...I mean unless we want this to be just like Oil companies now.
No, it won't balance out at this rate, and I don't see this problem as being at all similar to the cotton industry prior to the advent of the cotton gin. The problem with cotton before Eli Whitney's invention was not the supply of cotton itself (as is the case with the current food problem) but one of cleaning the fiber and making a usable product out of it more quickly, easily, and more economically. There is no "cr0n gin" that can come along and fix the problem we're experiencing with higher cr0n, as the problem is squarely on square one: supply.
Actually I was speaking of increased demand for Cotton AFTER the invention of Gin. It made it easier and faster to produce wearable cotton and thus a greater demand was placed on the crop because more people were using it and at a faster rate. The demand met up with that. The example had nothing to do with the Gin it's self. So I agree there is no "Corn Gin" that'll fix it, but since that wasn't what I was saying at all I don't see what what that has to do with it.
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And extreme example you mean.
Granted.
And those are to get the framework off the ground. Those will not keep going...I mean unless we want this to be just like Oil companies now.
The problem is that cr0n is not a good source for ethanol. It doesn't absorb as much CO2 from the atmosphere as it contributes in emissions, it requires additional energy to transform into sugar (and there's no way as of now to make the process more efficient), and it just doesn't produce enough of the stuff when cooked. Sugar cane's really the best source for ethanol, as cr0n, soybean, and the various sorts of switch-grass and stuff require much more put into them to make them work out, and the U.S. climate isn't conducive to cane. And if every square foot of land in this nation were used to grow cr0n, we wouldn't be able to meet half our fuel requirements.
Actually I was speaking of increased demand for Cotton AFTER the invention of Gin. It made it easier and faster to produce wearable cotton and thus a greater demand was placed on the crop because more people were using it and at a faster rate. The demand met up with that. The example had nothing to do with the Gin it's self. So I agree there is no "Corn Gin" that'll fix it, but since that wasn't what I was saying at all I don't see what what that has to do with it.
My point is that cotton gins had no influence on the cost to produce or make available crude cotton. Our problem is with the pre-existing cost to produce and make available crude oil. And, as I said earlier, there's currently no other known way to make the production of cr0n ethanol more efficient.
But I confess that I liked the "cr0n gin" thing.
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The problem is that cr0n is not a good source for ethanol. It doesn't absorb as much CO2 from the atmosphere as it contributes in emissions, it requires additional energy to transform into sugar (and there's no way as of now to make the process more efficient), and it just doesn't produce enough of the stuff when cooked. Sugar cane's really the best source for ethanol, as cr0n, soybean, and the various sorts of switch-grass and stuff require much more put into them to make them work out, and the U.S. climate isn't conducive to cane. And if every square foot of land in this nation were used to grow cr0n, we wouldn't be able to meet half our fuel requirements
And drilling in Alaska would not produce enough oil to even come close to breaking OPECs hold. It would litterally be a drop in the hat. We would have to increase our oil production many times to even keep up with them. Not to mention it will take years, if not decades before we start seeing that Crude Oil on the open Market.
My point is that cotton gins had no influence on the cost to produce or make available crude cotton. Our problem is with the pre-existing cost to produce and make available crude oil. And, as I said earlier, there's currently no other known way to make the production of cr0n ethanol more efficient.
Well really Ethanol doesn't effect the cost to grow cr0n either. I mean other then Corn seed going up, but that is just supply and demand factor in play again. When Supply catches up....price will go down.
And just cause there is not a current way to make it more efficient doesn't mean we should just go "Oh well...guess will just use Oil for the 50 years and not bother with that till we run out." That's stupid, and really doesn't do anything to get us out of the situation we are in now.
Same with Electric cars. They don't work very well now, but that doesn't mean we should just give up on them. I mean imagine if Bell invented his Telephone and then just went..."Well I can't make it better with what I got, better just give up and go back to using the Telegraph." We wouldn't be having this debate right here if that happened.
Given how much things like the computer have advanced in as little as ten years it's entirely possible that these methods could take the place of oil very easily in the next 5-10 years, but we have to actual work at it and not just go with the status quo....which if you haven't noticed isn't really working at the moment. There could be a cr0n gin out there....but we won't know if we don't bother trying to make one.
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What about people as fuel? That'll fix our energy problem, homeless problem, orphan problem, prison system overcrowding, AND help world hunger.
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What about people as fuel? That'll fix our energy problem, homeless problem, orphan problem, prison system overcrowding, AND help world hunger.
I would think a person would have to have a lot of fat to be a good source of fuel. The homeless and orphans arn't known for having a lot of fat on them. Better off using the fat ladies at Wal-Mart that always take the motorized carts cause walking is too much of a hassle.
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My aunt! :o
Anyway, it doesn't matter that they're so skinny. That's why you use a lot of them.
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Then we need to create more homeless. I doubt Bush will be needing his Weather Machine now that he is leaving office. We can get it for a steal.
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And drilling in Alaska would not produce enough oil to even come close to breaking OPECs hold. It would litterally be a drop in the hat. We would have to increase our oil production many times to even keep up with them. Not to mention it will take years, if not decades before we start seeing that Crude Oil on the open Market.
If ANWR were the only place to drill, you'd be right. Luckily there's billions of barrels available by tapping well-known oil shale reserves (unaccessible until recently), off-shore drilling (better for us to get it than China and Cuba, paragons of ecological responsibility), and in enormous fields recently found in North Dakota and Montana. And if you're one of those who think it'll take over a decade to get the oil in the supply, think again. Another point to chew on: if Clinton had tapped ANWR in the mid-nineties, we'd be getting it now.
But our production wouldn't have to be increased "many times" to overcome the OPEC stranglehold. We wouldn't even have to double domestic production to kick their asses...the U.S. is already the third biggest producer in the world, all without tapping those unbelievably huge deposits we're talking about. Doubling our production within the next decade would not only be possible but easily so, and we'd still have enough to get us through the lion's share of the 21st century as we stride towards the discovery and implementation of renewable, greener, economical sources of fuel.
Well really Ethanol doesn't effect the cost to grow cr0n either. I mean other then Corn seed going up, but that is just supply and demand factor in play again. When Supply catches up....price will go down.
Why would cr0n seed become more expensive and not cr0n food products? The problem we're about to have to face head-on is one of cr0n supply, which is going to impact more than just the energy industry. Not only is our ethanol production still unreasonably high (and expected to remain so for some time) and resulting in high prices for the stuff itself, but the diverted supplies also impact food prices...everything from canned cream cr0n to beef (since they feed cr0n to cows) to Coca-Cola (since it uses cr0n syrup). It's already happening, particularly in poorer sections of the world. And that's a more pressing matter than getting ethanol on the market, in my estimation.
And just cause there is not a current way to make it more efficient doesn't mean we should just go "Oh well...guess will just use Oil for the 50 years and not bother with that till we run out." That's stupid, and really doesn't do anything to get us out of the situation we are in now.
Stupid? Giving up on oil and pinning all hope on half-baked pseudo-solutions that negatively impact other vital industries, require extensive subsidies to maintain, and impacts food supplies is far more stupid than drilling for more black gold. You can research and develop new means of converting cr0n without diverting a huge percentage of the food supply towards the effort. Personally, though, I don't foresee any such method being discovered, as the physical properties of cr0n aren't going to change, and that's the primary reason for the inefficiency of current processes.
But forcing the current inefficient methods on the industry is foolish unless they intend to continue subsidizing it at the insane rate they're doing it now. Economic pressures will eventually force the industry to back off unless some magic ethanol production bullet is found...the only question being, how much worse shape will we be in before we realize we've been flushing money down the toilet? And it'll take longer to discover, develop, and deploy such a method than it will to get new oil reserves online.
Same with Electric cars. They don't work very well now, but that doesn't mean we should just give up on them. I mean imagine if Bell invented his Telephone and then just went..."Well I can't make it better with what I got, better just give up and go back to using the Telegraph." We wouldn't be having this debate right here if that happened.
Electric cars face two problems: battery storage, and powet for the batteries. There have been developmental advances in battery technologies in the area of higher efficiency cathode/anode conductors and higher dielectric materials, so we may be seeing more advanced storage techniques in the near future. I personally believe we'd be better off to focus on the use of capacitative storage via supercapacitors than traditional batteries due to faster charge time and being chemically safer (just don't touch the bastards bare-handed), but I haven't spent a lot of time on the subject since college (I focused on control engineering instead of material engineering, anyway).
The second would be alleviated by the advent of expanded domestic nuclear generation, but that's at least as many years off as the new storage tech. But we're still looking at oil to drive the economy over the next ten to twenty years. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Given how much things like the computer have advanced in as little as ten years it's entirely possible that these methods could take the place of oil very easily in the next 5-10 years, but we have to actual work at it and not just go with the status quo....which if you haven't noticed isn't really working at the moment. There could be a cr0n gin out there....but we won't know if we don't bother trying to make one.
You may notice that computers haven't really changed that much...they've just gotten smaller and faster, but things still work exactly as they have for some time. In fact, we're nearing the limits of current technologies. Silicon semiconductors and copper and gold wiring can only go so far before they reach their physical limits and the technology is eclipsed by something new, such as optical or biological computing, or maybe something even more esoteric.
The energy industry is at a similar crossroads. We have to have a major change in thinking somewhere along the line in order to move on to something better, because there's currently very little that's realizable in the near future. One thing I know for sure is that ethanol is not the answer, maybe not even part of the answer. It'll take time before it becomes evident enough for everyone to see. I just hope it won't take doubled food prices and unmitigated fuel costs for it to happen.
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BLOCK OF TEXT OMG!
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Dude, my brain already died several posts earlier than that. :lol:
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It's cute. :)
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SUGAR CANE ETHANOL.
If we can find a way to grow Sugar Cane around here in the US, it would be far better than cr0n.
Or use biodiesel from animal and food waste instead of ethanol.
It's crazy that we're letting other countries starve for our alternative energy.
Of course, since all the world's problems are due to too many people, Nuri's idea may not be a bad idea. Starving Hatians for fuel?
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Biodiesel from animal and food waste, you say? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization)
BLOCK OF TEXT OMG!
(http://bonr.shwiggie.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1101.0;attach=2598;image)
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A recent political article in a Detroit newspaper was about the politicians stance on foreign policy, especially Iraq and Iran. In the case of Iraq, I've been surprised to hear that the Surge may have been successful and caused the country to become more stable than it has been a couple years into the war. It makes me think that pulling all the troops out suddenly might not be a good thing.
Of course, I always have felt that pulling out prematurely was a bad thing for both parties. :makeout: :hump:
As for Iran, one of the things that scares me the most about radical right wing Christianity is reflected in an article I read in a right wing christian political magazine. The Editor went on about Iran and stated that the best way to solve the problem with Iran was to invade and conquer and take over Iran and force a new government on them.
As much as I don't like the wackjob that runs Iran right now.... but Conquer? Apparently this editor grew up in the 1600s which would make him not much older than Rush Limbaugh and Larry King. Sure, conquering and killing native civilizations was a viable career back then, but I assume that we've evolved since then. Oh wait... I used the word evolve... the one term those extreme right wingers hate the most. :P
I would prefer talking, like Obama has suggested, rather than conquering. McCain mentions possible sanctions, but look how good those worked for Iraq. Sure Hussein didn't have any nukes, but his people were starving as well.
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"an article I read in a right wing christian political magazine", eh? Does it have a name and possibly a link? I'm wondering if anyone credible actually said this, or if you're exaggerating again.
I'm all for blockading and embargoing the crap out of them, but the useless UN probably has more bullshit humanitarian sanctions to consider against Israel before it gets to Iran's own humanitarian troubles and nuclear ambitions.
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Like anyone believes he even took the time to read a "right wing christian political magazine", let alone if it's real or not.
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I love how Obama is supporting Bush policies, and the super-liberals love it. Fucking traitors. MORE RELIGION IN GOVERNMENT POSITIONS BECAUSE OBAMA SEYZ SO!!! HAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Thou shalt not question the Obama. Obama is good.
Would you care for some punch?
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Fuck this, I'm going Green.
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The Editor went on about Iran and stated that the best way to solve the problem with Iran was to invade and conquer and take over Iran and force a new government on them.
For you who hates religion so much to be all sympathetic with a people whose lives are run by religious zealotry is idiotic. You wanna hate religion but you just wanna whine about it? Fuck that! We need to stomp their turbans into the dust and liberate their women. Allah is telling these people to hate us, and they are listening. What do you think? Making some whiny posts is going to convince them that 1000s of years of their insane doctrine is wrong? Talks will make as much headway with these people as your posts have done to turn Squirrel atheist.
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I am staunchly against government assistance for any faith-based initiatives. The 1st amendment was meant to protect religion against government influence, and any charity accepting government assistance automatically abdicates its right to faith-based decision-making. My pastor was head over the local Baptist association's local charity arm when Bush took office, and he found out just how much interference occurs if government help is accepted. It's a slippery slope that charities already hamstrung due to government crap don't need to be tempted with.
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Which is why Obama is a Democrat-tool in the same vien of Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.
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I am staunchly against government assistance for any faith-based initiatives. The 1st amendment was meant to protect religion against government influence, and any charity accepting government assistance automatically abdicates its right to faith-based decision-making. My pastor was head over the local Baptist association's local charity arm when Bush took office, and he found out just how much interference occurs if government help is accepted. It's a slippery slope that charities already hamstrung due to government crap don't need to be tempted with.
Well at least on this, DS and I agree.
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"an article I read in a right wing christian political magazine", eh? Does it have a name and possibly a link? I'm wondering if anyone credible actually said this, or if you're exaggerating again.
I'm all for blockading and embargoing the crap out of them, but the useless UN probably has more bullshit humanitarian sanctions to consider against Israel before it gets to Iran's own humanitarian troubles and nuclear ambitions.
The Philadelphia Trumpet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philadelphia_Trumpet)... the issue was sometime earlier this year.
Of course, the people who publish this sound really extreme right wing and may not symbolize mainstream christianity... but it's only the idiotic extremists that really scare me.
Including the ones running Isreal AND Iran.
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I wouldn't place any stock in that publication...followers of the old Armstrong cult run it.
As for Israel, the only ones who should be scared of them are those who're actively seeking to destroy it as a nation and those who help them. Last time I checked, there were Palestinian Arabs in the Israeli Knesset, and the nation didn't attack people who didn't attack them first.
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Of course, the people who publish this sound really extreme right wing and may not symbolize mainstream christianity... but it's only the idiotic extremists that really scare me
Extremism of any form is evil in my book.
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^ Yeah, that.
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That's hardly axiomatic. There are good extremes.
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What....like Bungie jumping?
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That's hardly axiomatic. There are good extremes.
I can't think of any.
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That's hardly axiomatic. There are good extremes.
Like Most Extreme Elimination Challenge.
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Ever loved someone or been loved too much? Not in the physical sense, but the truest.
Only example I can think of, frankly.
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I think even that could be dangerous...especially if it's not returned. I'm sure if you experienced extreme joy non-stop it'd kill you.
The Matrix was too perfect.
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That's hardly axiomatic. There are good extremes.
I can't think of any.
Surge.
EXTREEEEEME
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URBAN KYAKING!
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Ah back in good old 1996.
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The 90s were awesome. This decade has sucked monkey ass so far.
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I hated the 90's. Merla did, too. Blech.
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I like the 90s but my greatest sexual works weren't done until the 2000s.
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They 90s where ok. I enjoyed the alternative music, but they couldn't hold a handle to the 80s for pure awesome.
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This is why you fail.
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90's were weak. Particularly the early 90's.
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^ truth
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Haters.
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*Runs in with a Bullhorn about to talk about the Conservative agenda but that everyone else did it for him.*
You all are no fun, and the 90's sucked
Edit: fin = fun, and what is with this server wait time?
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If the server's taking too long, then don't tip him. *rimshot*
Seriously, I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe when you ran in, you made it hiccup.
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It braced itself, hard. HARD!!!
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I can't remember if this was the thread where we were debating the oil crisis, but I've found some interesting things since then.
First off, gas is at an amazing $3.90 around here, where just a few weeks ago it was at $4.25.
Second off, at a festival, I looked at Saturn's hybrid SUV, the Vue, which has a listed MPG of 25-30. This proves we have the technology to make even large SUVs and trucks at least as economical as your average car, it's just the large car companies aren't investing enough to apply the technology.
I also read an article in an old magazine from 1995 or so about a technology that saved gas by shutting off the engine while the engine idles and while coasting or stopping. The vehicle was a VW Golf Diesel and got about 60 mpg. The article stated that this technology would not be popular in the US unless there was a major gas crisis. Uh, you mean like the one we're having now?
(The irony is the magazine also announced the invention of plasma tvs and small satellite dishes. "Soon everyone could be watching cable channels from a small dish on the side of their houses, on a thin TV mounted on a wall like a picture frame". ORLY?)
The technology exists. We just need to apply it.
Also, I saw a Subaru hatchback at the mall that got 20 mpg. I think it was a typo. I hope to god it was a typo, the car wasn't much bigger than a Honda Fit.
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I can't remember if this was the thread where we were debating the oil crisis, but I've found some interesting things since then.
It was.
First off, gas is at an amazing $3.90 around here, where just a few weeks ago it was at $4.25.
The only thing that has happened since then was George Bush's ultimately ineffectual but symbolically powerful revocation of the executive order (instituted by his father) that prohibited drilling on the offshore continental shelf. This matters little to nothing, as Congress hasn't revoked their own law prohibiting drilling there, but the threat of introducing new sources into the pipeline (which could come online in as little as a year in certain areas like the Gulf of Mexico) caused speculation on oil futures to react favorably.
Second off, at a festival, I looked at Saturn's hybrid SUV, the Vue, which has a listed MPG of 25-30. This proves we have the technology to make even large SUVs and trucks at least as economical as your average car, it's just the large car companies aren't investing enough to apply the technology.
For the most part, the same tech used therein has been available since well before the Prius made it's splash...it just hadn't been applied to large trucks and SUVs before the Tahoe and, now, the Vue (my aunt has a regular Vue, and she hates it). I'm not that thrilled about it, though, as I'd privately hoped this oil crunch would spell the end of those ass-ugly gas-guzzling mobile obstacles for car drivers.
I also read an article in an old magazine from 1995 or so about a technology that saved gas by shutting off the engine while the engine idles and while coasting or stopping. The vehicle was a VW Golf Diesel and got about 60 mpg. The article stated that this technology would not be popular in the US unless there was a major gas crisis. Uh, you mean like the one we're having now?
Ah, I remember the days when gas was a bit over a buck per gallon...nobody cared about how much milage their cars got because it just didn't matter. It still wouldn't if there was enough being brought on the market...everything from gas to beanie babies to actual dollars get progressively cheaper when more is made available. DRILL, MOTHERFUCKERS, DRILL!
But diesels have never been very popular in the U.S. for consumer vehicles. Why? Historically speaking, there are several reasons: emissions standards (which aren't abrogated now because of biodiesel...regular old nasty diesel will still drive the majority of vehicles, even though it's less of a CO and CO2 emission than gasoline), its hell to start in cold weather, and they're noisy and inefficient at slower speeds (and you know how the government likes its double nickel speed limits). But new designs are better now, making it a lot more attractive to American drivers.
But given the comparative cost per gallon of diesel in comparison to gasoline, it's still a gamble that it'll be popular enough to be worth the expense of U.S. production. Time will tell.
(The irony is the magazine also announced the invention of plasma tvs and small satellite dishes. "Soon everyone could be watching cable channels from a small dish on the side of their houses, on a thin TV mounted on a wall like a picture frame". ORLY?)
It had to have been well before 1994, because that's the year DirecTV came out (I remember it well...I was one of the first to sign up for it when it was first solicited in 1993, and it cost $700 that I had to earn by cutting grass over two summers).
The technology exists. We just need to apply it.
And it needs to be produced in number conducive to making them affordable to most Americans...something VW has never been too prone to do. But I agree: there are many things that can be done in concert to alleviate the problems we face.
Also, I saw a Subaru hatchback at the mall that got 20 mpg. I think it was a typo. I hope to god it was a typo, the car wasn't much bigger than a Honda Fit.
I don't think so...that all-wheel drive platform is like throwing gas down a well.
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For the most part, the same tech used therein has been available since well before the Prius made it's splash...it just hadn't been applied to large trucks and SUVs before the Tahoe and, now, the Vue (my aunt has a regular Vue, and she hates it). I'm not that thrilled about it, though, as I'd privately hoped this oil crunch would spell the end of those ass-ugly gas-guzzling mobile obstacles for car drivers.
I'd like to see SUVs out of the picture as well, but as they will probably never disappear completely, they might as well make them use gas more efficiently.
I don't think so...that all-wheel drive platform is like throwing gas down a well.
So much for me buying an all wheel drive. I was considering getting a car like a Subaru that has a 4 wheel drive for the crazy winters we have around here, but I'd get one where you can turn off the back wheels unless you need them.
I remember when I said that the big 3 need to stop closing truck plants and instead convert them to small car plants, and you said that would cost a lot of money and time, and I never did respond to that.
I thought about it, and I realized that plants are "retooled" every time they come out with a new model vehicle, or significant changes to a currently produced model. The plants need to be flexible enough to, say, switch from making Escorts to making Focuses. Of course switching from one model of car to another, or even worse, switching from car to truck, can be expensive, but it's necessary for the US automakers to survive.
Ford Management agrees. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jV-HVQ-_t6NRC0nZL0rwJTdXwDDwD92354E80)
They're planning on converting two truck plants into small car plants to build small cars they normally sell in Europe. So in this case Ford's done two things right, they're converting a plant rather than shutting it down completely and causing thousands to lose their jobs, and they're bringing over small cars that have done well in Europe and selling them here as well.
If McCain wins, I hope he has a good young moderate for a vice president, because I have a feeling McCain's going to kick the bucket 6 months into office.
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I think his possibly dying 6 months into office is the least of everyone's problems. Besides, Obama could win, suffer an aneurism the next day and then what happens? Death can take anyone whenever it wants.
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Life treats us differently, but death treats all the same.
Not that I wish death on anyone, but the best thing politically for me is for him to croak in office assuming he has a decent Veep, since I currently don't plan to vote for him. I know Bobby Jindal was in the running for that, but I think he took his name out of the hat to focus on fixing Louisiana. I figure he'll drop a big speech at the party convention, like Obama in '04, Clinton in '88, and Reagan in '76; and that'll mean he's the torch-bearer for the next round of presidential elections in '12 or '16.
He'd have been the youngest guy to put on the ticket (he's 37), and probably the most conservative (shore up the party base). Plus he could have helped McCain them make inroads in the ethnic vote, as he's of Indian descent. He wasn't a particular favorite of mine, given some of his past writings concerning Catholicism's doctrinal superiority over evangelical Christianity. But I admit that I admire those who intelligently step into theological debate.
I'm thinking the focus right now is on Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty or Alaska governor Sarah Palin. The most obvious choice is Mitt Romney, but he wouldn't help McCain much, given that he (almost literally) couldn't buy votes in the primary, and the only state he could impact positively would be Michigan, but he'd probably help lose at least two and possibly three others.
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He'd never pick Romney. He'd really do best to pick Condie.
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Death never RSVPs.
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Death never RSVPs.
Yea, I know. I always run out of taco dip because of it.
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I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize that no one person in the last 200+ years has been able to discombobulate the country (though McCarthy tried). I can't believe all of the cheering that the Knoxville nut has received from certain conservative sectors (not all of them - most are rightfully disgusted, no pun intended).
Occasions such as this make me regret the demise of the classical education. I answered one tirade yesterday in a break room regarding "liberals" (and quotation marks are because everyone seems to have a different definition of the term) destroying the country with a reference to how people should re-read Suetonius' "Lives of the Caesars" on occasion to put things in perspective, and got a blank stare. Ironic considering the huge framed sheepskin from Columbia on his wall. :-\
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$3.60 gas! :raiseroof: :headbang: :hump: :nuriyes: :guitar: :poo: :flash: <-that guy flashes to my music :joe:
This is celebration worthy.
If anyone really wants to blame anyone for the gas prices, according to studies I've read, the most profits don't go to the oil companies (although they get a lot of the profit). It's the people actually drilling the oil and shipping it out that get the most of the money. Why else do you think everyone in Dubai drives around in Escalades?
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$3.54.
Anyone beat that?
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$3.499
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HAHA FUCK YOU ALL PEOPLE! WE HAVE CHAVEZ' OIL DOWN HERE!
wait, what?
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$3.499
what is that, something like $76,811.96 per gallon?
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HAHA FUCK YOU ALL PEOPLE! WE HAVE CHAVEZ' OIL DOWN HERE!
wait, what?
You like paying him? O.o
Well he's better than the Canadians we buy our oil from. >.< Still, we have much better roads.
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$3.499
Just dropped to that today here.
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Don't get used to it. There's a storm in the Gulf. :-\
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I doubt it'll disrupt anything to any degree. If it does, it'll be due to pure speculation, as it's extremely unlikely that it'll impact the oil rigs themselves, damage any refineries, or prevent transportation of gasoline from those refineries to distribution.
what is that, something like $76,811.96 per gallon?
No.
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Lots of rain and occastional wind gusts, and no platform dangers, so no price spike. The important thing is that I got a day off from work. ;D
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$3.42.
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I was on the Obama bandwagon, but if it's true about what I've heard, that he won't support offshore drilling or nuclear powet, I'm almost about to turn Republican and vote for McCane.
Or maybe I should just say fuck it, and vote for Phucking Heiress-Whore (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d)
O_O
Wow, Paris has a better energy plan than Bush, Obama, and McCane combined?!
Hold on a sec.... *checks Hell webcam and sees snow and frost*
That's what I thought.
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I don't know why anyone's worried about Obama being elected. I'll give it six months before someone with a Stars and Bars in the back winder and about eight teeth picks him off from a tree. Worry about who the VP might be.
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It unfortunately won't be Hillary. He has a major problem with women, probably because of his wife.
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On the way to lunch, I saw a guy with some McCain stickers and a "NOBAMA '08" one. He also had a sticker reading "It's a JEEP thing - you wouldn't understand!"
On his red Chevy Silverado pickup.
Oh boy.... :alien:
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All I have to say is if Obama wins every black person better simultaneously stop holding a grudge against white people. Affirmative action should be abolished the moment he takes office. I want all my screen plays ideas optioned instead of some minority chick. I'll also be given a staff writer position on a television show.
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I think I've figured something out after seeing an ad for pickup trucks in an old National Geographic.
Truck from the 80s:
(http://palscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/electric-car-and-truck.jpg)
Truck from this year:
(http://www.cardata.com/images/2008_new_cars/Ford/2008_Ford_F-350_Super_Duty_XLT_SuperCab_4X4.jpg)
Is it just me or American's dicks getting smaller? Maybe it's something in the water? Or Americans getting fatter in general.
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I gave up in 2003 when I saw a news report with a living Barbie doll saying she asked her heuband to buy her a Hummer because driving it made her feel "more patriotic". :whack2:
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All I have to say is if Obama wins every black person better simultaneously stop holding a grudge against white people. Affirmative action should be abolished the moment he takes office. I want all my screen plays ideas optioned instead of some minority chick. I'll also be given a staff writer position on a television show.
Yeah, but then once he gets assassinated, all the black people would riot and we'll be worse off than before.
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Well then I better accomplish all of those things during the brief window of opportunity.
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Or leave him alone just to blame him later when the country swirls down the shitter.
Of course, what'll actually happen is the business cycle will go upward during his administration and he, like the previous Democratic President, will get the credit for something his economic philosophies actually work against.
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Nah, Black folk no longer have any reason to bitch, regardless if he gets shot or not. Do Asians or Hispanics have a nominee? No.
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Erik Estrada in 2012!!!!
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Nah, Black folk no longer have any reason to bitch, regardless if he gets shot or not. Do Asians or Hispanics have a nominee? No.
Black people will have reasons to bitch for many more years to come.
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Well they already are. He's not African American, he's half African, half white.
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when you really think about it, though, what's more "african-american" than that?
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No history of slavery? It's a fucked up term, anyways, since most African Americans have more ethnicities in their blood than American Mutts.
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Obama is not descended from the slaves. I was wondering the other day if Africans discriminate against African-Americans based on that.
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Of course they do, they hate American Blacks. Don't forget, their descendants sold the African Americans into slavery. I know in LA, African Gangs are coming into conflicts with African-American gangs.
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really? HA!
The best part is that even the prejudiced non gang members can't claim to be a civilized people what with all the genocide and how every time they find something they can sell over there they start slaughtering each other.
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Some black leader was bitching earlier in the year about Obama's lack of "slave blood". And it came to pass that Michelle was deemed to have slave blood.
Limbaugh really had a field day with that one. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062408/content/01125106.guest.html)
RUSH: I went back and did a little research, folks, because I still can't get over this. I can't get over the fact that this guy from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation yesterday, Charles Steele, Jr., went out and said that we're gonna still be criticizing people here because Obama doesn't have any slave blood. He's not authentic. He's not black enough, ain't got no slave blood. He said that Michelle Obama has slave blood, but Obama does not have slave blood himself, and, as such, the genuine civil rights movement blacks will not have a representative in the White House, therefore the race industry can go on.
One of the bits of research that I did (I vaguely remembered this) is a Chicago Tribune story from March the 2nd of 2007. "Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas. But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves..." Remember this? This "according to genealogical research and census records. The records -- which had never been addressed publicly by the Illinois senator or his relatives -- were first noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and practices genealogy in his spare time. The report, on Reitwiesner's website, carries a disclaimer that it is a 'first draft' -- one likely to be examined more closely if Obama is nominated."
Well, Obama has been nominated. Has this been "examined more closely"? Might the Southern Christian Leadership Conference look into this? I mean, if Obama's white mother -- white mother -- from Kansas owned slaves, could it be said that Obama has slave blood? Well, can I give you a name? Sally Hemings. I mean, we don't know what went on between Obama's relatives and the slaves. We don't really know. It could well be, it could not be, but he does have an ancestral relationship with slavery on his white mother's side. Now, many of you have been sending via e-mail questions since last hour's segment with our Official Obama Criticizer, Bo Snerdley. One of the questions most frequently being asked is if the Official Obama Criticizer, Bo Snerdley, has any slave blood himself because people think this might be a qualification in terms of your being black enough, officially black enough to criticize. So let me just put the question to you. Do you have slave blood flowing through your veins?
SNERDLEY: As I have said previously: I am certified black enough. Yes, I have slave blood. I also have Native American blood.
RUSH: Indian blood, for those in Rio Linda.
SNERDLEY: Yes, yes. And! I have Irish blood coursing through my veins as well. It shows up under the microscope. All of them, different ones, they show up.
SNERDLEY: As I have said previously: I am certified black enough. Yes, I have slave blood. I also have Native American blood.
RUSH: Indian blood, for those in Rio Linda.
SNERDLEY: Yes, yes. And! I have Irish blood coursing through my vanes as well. It shows up under the microscope. All of them, different ones, they show up.
RUSH: You've actually had your blood microscoped?
SNERDLEY: Yes, and they identified slave blood.
RUSH: This was part of the process?
SNERDLEY: Yes. We identified the different segments.
RUSH: True. Why did you...?
SNERDLEY: African blood, there. Slave blood, there. Indian blood, there.
RUSH: There is separate slave blood hemoglobin that you can see in the microscope?
SNERDLEY: Yes. They're chained differently. Leave that alone.
RUSH: Had no idea. And the Irish blood?
SNERDLEY: Oh, yes! It's a little bit more red at the top.
RUSH: So you've noticed all three of these in your blood?
SNERDLEY: Four of them. There's the African blood.
RUSH: African blood? That's not the same as the slave blood.
SNERDLEY: No, the slave blood happens when you came to America. You got slave blood then.
RUSH: Oh, I see. Okay. As far as you know, Obama has none of this?
SNERDLEY: From what I understand, Obama has no slave blood. He has African blood, and he has Caucasian blood. White cells. A lot more white cells in the blood of Obama.
RUSH: What do those look like in the microscope?
SNERDLEY: White!
RUSH: That would make sense. So you're saying the white blood cells in Obama would be the white blood from his, uh, mother?
SNERDLEY: That's what Joe Biden was trying to say when he said "articulate." It's code words. That's Democrat code words.
RUSH: Code word for what, white blood cells?
SNERDLEY: That's what Joe Biden was saying! Those are Democrat code words.
RUSH: "Articulate" meaning he didn't have slave talk, right?
SNERDLEY: Right!
RUSH: Slave talk. Okay. Well, I appreciate this enlightenment. That's Official Obama Criticizer Bo Snerdley answering questions from the audience, whether or not he has slave blood.
As for blacks being happy with Obama, from the same linked material:
I had a number of people called here, and a number of people asked me via e-mail, "Hey, Rush, isn't it true that if Obama is elected president, then it will be the end of racism in this country? The racists and the race industry hacks will have no credibility to say the country is still racist."
I said, "Wrong. It's only going to get worse."
"What do you mean it's only going to get worse?"
Well, look at it now. If Obama is elected president, any bit of criticism of him whatsoever, any vote in Congress that doesn't go his way, the race industry is going to say, "This is due to lack of respect for the first black president. This is racism!" They're going to say racism about everything, and you can see from this guy from the Atlanta Journal-Constipation yesterday that they're already setting it up that Obama will not inoculate anybody from being a racist because he's not got any "slave blood." So he's not the first black president. He's inauthentic; he's not black enough. He doesn't have enough slave blood or any slave blood, so he doesn't come from the slave past, the civil rights past of American blacks; and so he really will not be their first black president. The closest they're going to get is Michelle Obama as first lady because she has slave blood in her. This is just weird, folks. The civil rights movement and the race industry and Democrat Party politics, are just plain weird.
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Erik and I eat crap in 2012!!!!
What the hell? Are you Rumpelstiltskin now?
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*still holdin' out for Clinton '08*
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Some black leader was bitching earlier in the year about Obama's lack of "slave blood". And it came to pass that Michelle was deemed to have slave blood.
Limbaugh really had a field day with that one. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062408/content/01125106.guest.html)
You know, I have Nazi blood. My ancestors are from Germany. My red blood cells have little swastikas on them, and bushy mustaches, and they run around with their arms raised yelling "SIEG HEIL!"
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Yet somehow, you still manage to be a whiny bitch.
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Alot of Nazis were whiny bitches, some drugs fixed that.
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Ah, got it. Instead, the insult should be, "That explains why you're such a whiny bitch."
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I gave up in 2003 when I saw a news report with a living Barbie doll saying she asked her heuband to buy her a Hummer because driving it made her feel "more patriotic". :whack2:
so unrelated somewhat, but I was filling out some survey for the census bureau, and one of the questions asked was "do you find that filling out the census allows you to fulfill part of your patriotic duty to this country?"
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What they should've asked was "do you find filling out the census while driving a hummer allows you to fulfill your patriotic duty to this country?"
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only if i get to concurrently drive over the skulls of Iraqi civilians while waving an american flag and drinking a 'cool, refreshing' bud light.
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How the bloody hell did swill like Bud Light become the National Party Beer? :puke: Our local token egdy kewldude DJ does a Bud Light commercial about every 10 minutes during drivetime that ends with "BUD LIGHT KEEPS IT COMIN'!!" What, the piss? The puke? The structural integrity damaging belches?
Women almost never drank any other kind of beer during festivals, and they were really bitchy about it. "Make sure that's a Bud LIGHT - don't screw it up!" Nothing got them a regular Bud faster than that attitude. Never knew the difference. :razz:
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I can tell the difference. Since one of my friends started dating this one dude who only drinks Bud, she refuses to drink Bud Light because now she suddenly can only drink Bud. I can only stand so much Bud, but now we're sometimes forced to share pitchers of regular because of her. Duh. We can't let her have her own pitcher though because then she'll get retarded. :joe:
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If someone is drinking Light because they are truly watching calories/weight/etc., I'm all for it. We kept getting loonies who thought Light = "I can drink 5 times as much!" Light don't mean shit regarding alcohol content at that point.
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Sam light is smooooooooooooth.
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I must agree, and I'm a Guinness girl. Sam Adams got it right. ;D
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I've yet to have a bad bottle of Sam Adams.
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I've yet to have a bad can of Coca-Cola.
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Damn Straight.
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I would love a can of the Texas Dr. Pepper which is made with sugar over cr0n syrup. Supposedly, it tastes a million times better. I always perfer fountain Dr. Pepper over canned because the canned always taste washed out.
Kary's addicted to Coca-Cola, though.
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A cousin of mine went on a mission trip to Kazakhstan some years ago, and they still made Coke with sugar there. It was practically the only thing he could drink and hold down over there for two weeks, after having to eat stuff he compared to the kind of food he last saw in Temple of Doom.
Coca Cola Classic...pheh! (http://www.shwiggie.com/boards/emoticons/atch.gif)
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Yeah, it'd be classic if they used sugar. The conspiracy theorists who think New Coke was a diversion for the HFCS switch weren't far off. The Passover coke made with sugar is so much cleaner tasting.
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Or leave him alone just to blame him later when the country swirls down the shitter.
Of course, what'll actually happen is the business cycle will go upward during his administration and he, like the previous Democratic President, will get the credit for something his economic philosophies actually work against.
Well..., the first part's definetely happening now.
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What the... but... I thought... soft drinks?
I drank Pepsi all the time growing up. Bottle of Pepsi and a Crispy Crunch. That was like its own little meal. Every day. Sometimes more than once. It's amazing I ain't gots the diabetus.
Do you guys have Crispy Crunch or is it a weird Canadian bar? Anyway, I hate it now. Can't eat it anymore.
And I prefer Coke to Pepsi.
But lately they both taste kinda funky.
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What is Crispy Crunch? This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispy_Crunch We don't get any cool Cadbury shit here. Something about capitalism and how it's one big joke or something.
Also, I really don't drink soda. I was looking at some pictures over one year apart and I have the same 4 oz. can of generic root beer sitting there next to the microwave.
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I gave up Soda a few months back myself, till then I drank Coke and I also grew up on Pepsi.
And I'm pretty sure Crispy Crunch is Canada thing. I've never seen one that is.
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Damn you and your fast connection Beck! Always getting those red letter telling me you posted while I was trying to post. It's almost as bad as Yuku making me wait 60 secs between each post. =P
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Oh shit, I thought I fixed that crap. I hate that shit. I can't even go properly spam the All-spank Yuku and that place is the Sahara.
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And it deletes my whole post when it does that. All my wonderful rants..GONE! And I never have as much piss and vinegar the 2nd time around. Then I'm just lazy and half ass it.
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I cut it in half. Let me know how that works out for you.
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Well do.
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Yuku! I was trying to think of what the hell it was. I was thinking Hulu, but I knew that wasn't it.
Is that Yuku shit still going? Is some of the old ezboard stuff still archived there?
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Over at the places that didn't get completely annihilated, there's still some stuff left. I listed some at, *ahem*, Pac Man's Yuku.
http://badasspacman.yuku.com/topic/8
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Oh.
Oh, man.
That shit is crazy. Speaking of, I think Crazy's was the place I stuck with the longest, but eventually we all stopped posting there as well.
Kinda wish I hadn't deleted all the posts at LBoE, but there probably really wasn't anything worth saving there anyway. And then it was gone forever.
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Hey, whatever happened to Poonbolt?
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Wrong thread! :laugh:
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Who, me or you? Because my post is in the right thread because LBOE reminded me that I was spamming Fanboys, which is why I asked. Since he took my son. Only afterwards did I see your other post. Did you read my mind? :mad:
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Really? You asked the Poonbolt question before I mentioned Poonbolt in the other thread? That's pretty weird. Well, not that weird since we are reminiscing about ezboard.
Man, all that bizarre family crap we had going on. I remember back when toe started calling me "son", and I didn't realize that was just something black guys called other guys, so I started calling him "dad" and it all just spiraled out of control from there.
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And then somehow you also became my son. So I guess toe's my baby-daddy.
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Coalburner!
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And how!
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Sure you just didn't fall on one of his used Teddy Bears?
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Certain.
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Man, the Yuku thing really makes me glad I bailed and started my own place when I did. I have stuff going back to 2003, I believe.
I always somehow lamented the passing of Last Board on Earth, since I felt I subconsciously ripped it off by calling mine the Board of No Return.
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I always somehow lamented the passing of Last Board on Earth, since I felt I subconsciously ripped it off by calling mine the Board of No Return.
No hard feelings here, man.
Besides, yours makes for a better acronym.
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:( I was just thinking about Poonbolt and CGB the other day.
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I barely remember poonbolt...in fact I remember seeing his name, more then the guy himself.
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We had a lot of floaters back in The Day.
Besides, yours makes for a better acronym.
I may have heard every tasteless joke about BONR that could be made.
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Poonbolt I haven't seen in forever. CGB has been by Powet a few times, the most recent being... I dunno, I guess it's probably been months and months, come to think of it. I assume she's married with ten kids by now. She'd be 25 or so, right? Yup, ten or twenty kids for sure. Most of them have different dads, but she finally found a keeper. He has a lot of money and a big heart, and he loves every child as his very own.
Imagina~~~~~~tion!
We should all go chell out Shwiggie's BONR later. I hear it's breathtaking.
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I saw a picture of her once that was taken while watching a porno and holding anal beads with a big shit-eating grin on her face. Going by your estimated age, she was all of fifteen at the time.
Oh, and I get that a lot.
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Haha! I saw that picture, too. I'm pretty sure she was 15 in 2000 though, and that pic was a bit later. I seem to remember the freezeframe of the porno was an ill-equipped chick trying to tittyfuck some dude.
I mean, it just doesn't work with A's. B's are even kind of dicey.
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I think I still have the scan of the ezboard poster "family tree" I drew up...shit must be almost 10 years ago now.
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Man, you gotta post it!
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I would enjoy seeing that.
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Makes me want to look up old ezboard haunts. If I can remember my old ezboard account name. I probably have it written down somewhere.
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Most of them were deleted before they went all yuku on everybody. It makes me glad I started BONR when I did.