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General Garbage => Tropical Paradise of Hard Shelled Fruits => Topic started by: B E C K on Feb 15, 2008, 03:44:47 PM
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http://www.236.com/news/2008/02/11/barack_obama_officially_declar_4306.php :laugh:
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Epic.
It's sick how much they lick his ass. When he does something, he's genuinely nice and sweet; when Hillary does it, it's Saccherine. Look it up if you don't.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/14/valentines-day-with-hillary-clinton/
I like how they avoid noting all the money he's taking from energy industries and drug companies, while Hillary gets blasted for it. Even Edwards chided Obama for slipping the drug money in through 'donations via Vice Presidents' rather than direct donations. If Obama gets the nom, McCain wins. There's so much dirt on Obama, and the Repubs will dig it all up, but they need him to beat Hillary.
TUCC anyone? (thanks 4chan)
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I'm pretty sure I'll be voting republican for life.
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Obama saves Jesus. News at eleven.
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What is that tucc all about? Some weird missionary church?
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Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. But his legions of enraptured fans (fans, not supporters) could be enough to vault him over his inexperience, lack of achievements, and looney public policies and into the White House. McCain will be hard-pressed to beat him and would have a better shot with Hillary.
I'm personally hoping Nader enters the race or Paul goes Libertarian...I really don't care which, because I'm not voting for McCain or against the Democratic nominee.
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I take back my last post. I hate McCain's immigration policy. Grab your muskets and pitch forks its time to reset the gubment.
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Stage 2: Anger
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Some of McCain's pro-life doctrine kinda scares me, so I won't be voting for him. Which is a shame because I almost like him more than the Dems. So even if he does become president, it won't be so bad. Not like when Bush became president and I wanted to throw myself into a pit of rakes. Just that women's rights will continue to take steps backwards.
And I looked at some CNN footage regarding McCain, Clinton, and Obama's stances on immigration. So much weirdness. Obama and Clinton appeared to regurgitate each other. Obama kept just out of the camera's sight and I mostly saw his ass. Then McCain's video is just him babbling about "securing our borders". These vids fail.
What is that tucc all about? Some weird missionary church?
Trinity United Church of Christ? I don't get it. I accidentally put in tucc.com and got The Urology Center of Colorado.
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Stage 3: Confusion
When you google McCain and immigration you get something about death threats. I haven't figured out who they're from though. If those death threats are from pro illegal immigration people then I like him. If the threats are from people who don't want amnesty for illegals then I hate him.
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Obama wins at everything, even things you're not supposed to win at - like yelling or exercise!
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Some of McCain's pro-life doctrine kinda scares me, so I won't be voting for him. Which is a shame because I almost like him more than the Dems. So even if he does become president, it won't be so bad. Not like when Bush became president and I wanted to throw myself into a pit of rakes. Just that women's rights will continue to take steps backwards.
And I looked at some CNN footage regarding McCain, Clinton, and Obama's stances on immigration. So much weirdness. Obama and Clinton appeared to regurgitate each other. Obama kept just out of the camera's sight and I mostly saw his ass. Then McCain's video is just him babbling about "securing our borders". These vids fail.
What is that tucc all about? Some weird missionary church?
Trinity United Church of Christ? I don't get it. I accidentally put in tucc.com and got The Urology Center of Colorado.
It's a black-first church that he and Oprah belong to that funnel money to and from Africa. They teach bible only and swear allegiance to Africa. Scary shit, Obama preaches more than he speeches. Plus, the TUCC awarded Louis Farrakhan, a very bad person.
Obama will be destroyed by McCain. He's already drawn first blood by calling Obama out on his claim to run a public funding only campaign. That will nullify any outside contributions (which Obama's been pwning in) and make the money square between the two of them. Then, they will sink in with all the lobbyist money he launders through his campaign, his involvement with the TUCC, and swiftboat him with his family (black muslim side) which has served as radical muslim insurgents in Kenya (Which Obama is on video supporting).
Hillary would pwn McCain in an open election. I know people claim she'd unify the base, but she's more conservative on issues than McCain was. Plus, her healtcare plan is highly feasible, whereas Obama's is crap which excludes people, won't change the pricing, and was designed in part by his lobbyist advisors. If Obama > Clinton, I'll vote for McCain. Obama winning will fuck the Dems so hard and cut off this country on having proper healthcare policies for another 10 years.
I like the line about him having fans, not supporters. It's so fricking true.
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Ultimately, no socialized health care system is feasible. It collapses under its own weight and assumes there won't be a Third American Revolution in its wake. As pissed as people got over immigration, watch what'll happen once the tax burden doubles over just a few years' time. The government is only good at two things: spending public funds and blowing stuff up. All one has to do to see what clustermuck awaits us is to look at the fetid bloated mess that is Medicare.
Obama's religious ties with TUCC are, by my reckoning, little more than a convenient political association. Based on things he's said, he certainly seems to be a theological lightweight.
McCain's a true believer in legalizing illegal immigration, which is nothing more than importing a new slave class at the expense of Americans of all classes...poorer people lose out on job ops while mid-to upper-income taxpayers get saddled with the debt of social services, while big business gets labor cheap enough to compete with the likes of esteemed slave drivers like China.
His plan (which he forged along with Ted Kennedy) would have legalized all illegals already in this country after paying a fine with lip service paid to restricting employers from hiring them and token security on the southern border. He hasn't changed, other than a willingness to put up more border security to placate the multitudes of pissed voters who crammed Congress with calls this past year during its deliberation.
For me, Hillary Clinton would be marginally preferable between the three of them. I just don't know if I could force myself to vote for a Clinton. I won't hold my nose for another weak sister Republican, and Obama's a novice who might be easier to push around but will likely be our first outright Socialist president.
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For a minute, I thought they meant lines of cocaine:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-02-18-obama-borrowed-lines_N.htm
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OO SNAPPPP for the guy!
is it true that he's muslim?
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He was raised by a muslim and an atheist so of course I'm sure he loves jesus as much as he says he does.
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He's half like Lenny Kravitz is half-Jew.
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Ultimately, no socialized health care system is feasible. It collapses under its own weight and assumes there won't be a Third American Revolution in its wake. As pissed as people got over immigration, watch what'll happen once the tax burden doubles over just a few years' time. The government is only good at two things: spending public funds and blowing stuff up. All one has to do to see what clustermuck awaits us is to look at the fetid bloated mess that is Medicare.
Obama's religious ties with TUCC are, by my reckoning, little more than a convenient political association. Based on things he's said, he certainly seems to be a theological lightweight.
McCain's a true believer in legalizing illegal immigration, which is nothing more than importing a new slave class at the expense of Americans of all classes...poorer people lose out on job ops while mid-to upper-income taxpayers get saddled with the debt of social services, while big business gets labor cheap enough to compete with the likes of esteemed slave drivers like China.
His plan (which he forged along with Ted Kennedy) would have legalized all illegals already in this country after paying a fine with lip service paid to restricting employers from hiring them and token security on the southern border. He hasn't changed, other than a willingness to put up more border security to placate the multitudes of pissed voters who crammed Congress with calls this past year during its deliberation.
For me, Hillary Clinton would be marginally preferable between the three of them. I just don't know if I could force myself to vote for a Clinton. I won't hold my nose for another weak sister Republican, and Obama's a novice who might be easier to push around but will likely be our first outright Socialist president.
Hill's the best choice. McCain's already put Obama in a corner if he's the nominee.
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I heard the exact opposite on tv.
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Obama promised to only accept public funds for the election, forgoing the massive amount of private donations he might recieve. Let's face it, that's a big part of Obama's success. McCain's called him out on it, which will level the playing field considerably between the two.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23187794/
Then it turns out he's plagarizing..?
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(http://powet.tv/images/MK2OBAMA.jpg)
I found it very difficult to talk politics online the last 3 years because I've really been against this administration.
The administration is coming to an end, and no matter who is elected, I think its going to get better.
Today, I'm voting for Huckabee.
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Ultimately, no socialized health care system is feasible. It collapses under its own weight and assumes there won't be a Third American Revolution in its wake.
Take a gander at this squirrely:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png/500px-WORLDHEALTH2.png
Thats us, with the shittiest nations in the world. Universal health care is feasible and has been in action in the first world for over 50 years. We're the only rich industrialized nation without it. Even Mexico is going to do it; though is occurs to me that free health care might fix our border problem...
If a revolution comes, then we're truly without a chance of surviving and I'll return to mother Russia. blue jeans cost $200, but as least I can afford allergy medicine.
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Do hospitals turn away illegal immigrants with no money? They should let them die in the waiting room. I'd clean up the bodies for a fraction of what it would've cost the government to treat them.
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Do hospitals turn away illegal immigrants with no money? They should let them die in the waiting room. I'd clean up the bodies for a fraction of what it would've cost the government to treat them.
Of course they do. What is done for them is usually quick fixes, but they never get checkups, medicine, or anything serious done without paying cash.
Hillary's plan > Obama's, even his camp agreed. Every policy she's running has been proven to beat his, except for fundraising and sending Bill out.
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Take a gander at this squirrely:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png/500px-WORLDHEALTH2.png
Thats us, with the shittiest nations in the world. Universal health care is feasible and has been in action in the first world for over 50 years. We're the only rich industrialized nation without it. Even Mexico is going to do it; though is occurs to me that free health care might fix our border problem...
If a revolution comes, then we're truly without a chance of surviving and I'll return to mother Russia. blue jeans cost $200, but as least I can afford allergy medicine.
So, we join the international community of socialist states to fix the health care problem. How very American! Sure, such a program is feasible in countries who don't have huge foreign aid programs, foot the bill for the United Nations, search and destroy terrorists en masse, hand out food and medical care in impoverished countries like business cards, deal with massive infrastructural concerns, rarely have to deal with major natural disasters, and demographically aren't as fat. Just because their people are conditioned to accept it doesn't mean taxing people out the ass is something we should replicate.
There are ways of making health care available to all that don't involve simply throwing money at the problem and hoping things improve. Such things as giving people access to their medical information, making information available for customers to make comparisons in available care, making justice in malpractice more responsible, incentivizing clean living, and creating savings accounts to allow tax-free money for addressing critical health issues would transform the industry without creating a massive bureaucracy and tax hole that will never be filled.
And the fact remains that ours is the best health care system around, despite the fact that it's not free to all. And the only way a Mehican universal health care program will get off the ground is if either we or the invading hordes of aliens send them the money to make it happen. Strange, in that they come here in droves when we don't have socialized care available to them, huh? If you think they'll stay home for care, you have another think coming, because they'll still want more than just what that corrupt government decides to let them have.
Maybe you should go ahead and move to Russia. I know some missionary folks who go there every year and give free eye care to people there who can't get it because of the interminable waits (in return for a bit of proselytizing). Who knows, maybe they can arrange to take you with them. You can enjoy your $200 blue jeans and your allergy medicine to your heart's content...but you probably won't be too worried about your allergies when you're freezing your ass off in those nefarious Russian winters. Be sure to take a coat.
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yeah I don't think free allergy medicine is gonna keep pedro from getting a piece of the fat money cake over here.
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Attacking his employers is a great way to start.
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The Obama fangirlism is starting to scare me.
Obama, the New Elvis (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87537&page=1&pp=26)
Cafepress "I Faint For Obama" t-shirts (http://www.cafepress.com/addison26)
I thought Clinton had a pretty good chance of winning Texas, but all I've heard is Obama, Obama, Obama. I'm the only one out of my intermediate family that's for Clinton. Why are the rest for Obama? Because they don't like Clinton. Sure, my dad was half-heartedly talking about Obama and change, but then he's all "grrrr, also I just don't like Clinton". I make jokes that Obama looks like he's 12 and shit, but really, my gut does not a get a nice feeling about him. Say what you will about Clinton, but it's the devil you know. This is like the last presidential election except the people are from the same party this time.
BTW, I'm still pissed we never got President Gore.
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My sis was telling me that Squirrelly had commented that Obama has fans and not supporters. Yesterday one of my friends went to the Obama rally. She came back all excited because she got to hug him. She kept saying that she didn't want to bath. ewww.... Then another friend commented "oh he is so handsome!" O_o Not sure how that qualify one to be President. Anyhow later that night I am watching TV and they keep showing all these people fainting at Obama rallies like they were at a rock concert or something. At least people seem enthused about the election. I wanted to vote for McCain but he changed his stance on some issues. -_- Our country should do away with the Office of the President. We should have a high council or something.
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They say that young people make up a high number of Obama's supporters. I'm hoping young people stick to what they do best in this situation and not vote. :lol:
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Well oddly enough there was a report about his consituents being college students... then under it a seperate articles about how college students know nothing about American History or politics. Why I'm not voting for Obama?
He's setting up like George W. Bush did in 2000. A uniter not a divider (reaching across the aisle?), very mysterious origins with failed businesses and bad people (half the stuff we know now about him now we didn't know before the election), sneaky religious ties, money coming in from unknown sources, an elite cadre of advisors pulling the strings from behind, a checkered mysterious past (who knows if his books are right), and while he can speak it's coming out he can't write for himself.
That and the republicans will roast him alive like they did Kerry. Kerry was supposedly strong, they ate him up.
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Oh, and most Obama supporters (at least online) are dicks. They preach you should follow him, but when you say you won't or disagree with something he does, they call you a racist and just be a fucktwit.
Not one can tell me what the hell change really means.
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I'm a big Obama supporter, but if it's Hillary over him then I'll vote Hillary. I'd like a president who has a better chance of not dying before the end of their first term.
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McCain beat the VC, death's gonna have to wrastle him.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/20/mccain-takes-aim-at-obama-over-campaign-financing/
This is what I mean by they're gonna pick him apart. It's starting already.
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that link isn't working :/
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It does for me.
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enjoy it for both of us then
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(http://www.shwiggie.com/media/images/obama_change.jpg)
I haven't decided who I'm voting for at this point. It'll be either Nader (who's threatening to run) or I won't vote for president and just stick with the state offices. Of course, I wrote in "Tommy Monaghan" (http://www.shwiggie.com/hitman/) for governor back in November, so who's to say he won't get at least one write-in vote for president?
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ron paul should run indy
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He won't.
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If I vote for McCain depends strongly on who his Vice is, since that person could conceivably become President during his term. I'm still undecided at this point about where my vote will go, but I doubt it'll go to Clinton.
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McCain beat the VC, death's gonna have to wrastle him.
Death knocks on his door more than Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/mccain/index.html
I'd fuck McCain. No, not really.
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"Come here, Chelsey, and sit on Grandpa Johnny's lap!"
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Eeeewwww... I can see his ear hair!
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Meanwhile, somewhere in Japan, your Asian doppleganger is cleaning out McCain's doppleganger's ears.
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And stepping on his junk. HIS JUNK!
x.x
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Not cool, man. Not. Cool.
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Asian Chershi can't step on Asian McCain's junk. McCain-san's probably hung like a zipper.
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Mashing is a valid fetish. He can't lift his arms above his head for the good of the nation, damnit.
I'd vote for McCain if Jon Stewart became his veep.
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[facepalm]
http://www.canadaeast.com/rss/article/221939
CHICAGO - Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday presidential candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the United States will change for the better.
Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000 people at the annual Saviours' Day celebration, never outrightly endorsed Obama but spent the majority of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.
"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," he said.
"This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Farrakhan compared Obama to the Nation of Islam's founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.
"A black man with a white mother became a saviour to us," he told the crowd of mostly followers dressed in Nation of Islam attire.
"A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall."
Farrakhan also levelled small jabs at Hillary Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic nomination.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said: "Senator Obama has been clear in his objections to Minister Farrakhan's past pronouncements and has not solicited the minister's support."
Farrakhan rebuilt the Nation of Islam, which promotes black empowerment and nationalism, in the late 1970s after W.D. Mohammed, the son of longtime leader Elijah Mohammed, moved his followers toward mainstream Islam.
Farrakhan has drawn attention for calling Judaism a "gutter religion" and suggesting crack cocaine might have been a CIA plot to enslave blacks.
In recent years, however, officials with the Nation of Islam have promoted unity and tolerance among religions. Farrakhan now often quotes the texts of other religions, such as the Bible, in his speeches.
Farrakhan's keynote address at McCormick Place, Chicago's convention centre, wrapped up three days of events geared to unifying followers and targetting youth.
It had a different tone from a year ago, when Farrakhan made what was called his final public address at a Saviours' Day event in Detroit. The 74-year-old was recovering from complications from prostate cancer and months earlier had temporarily passed on leadership duties of the organization's day-to-day activities to an executive board.
[/facepalm]
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Could you post a list of reasons that obama sucks for us?
I want to go troll teh INTERNET with them, but don't care enough about politics to go find them myself.
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Just look up reasons to dislike George W. Bush. The lists suprisingly match up.
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I voted for Clinton a couple of weekends ago. Whatever happens now is out of my hands.
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Well Barry was talking to the Canadians it seems. They've reported his advisors told them his hatred of NAFTA is for political purposes, and he won't change the policy. Obama says he didn't mean that, but then why would Canada care or lie?
CANADA IS ESTABLISHMENT CLINTON SUPPORTERS!!!!omg
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Hopefully today, there will finally be a clear winner. I'm sick of this "statistically neck and neck" shit.
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Hillary would be better for the country than Obama. He's a radical socialist, whereas she's a plain old socialist. McCain would be better than either, but not by a whole lot.
Could you post a list of reasons that obama sucks for us?
Listen to talk radio one day and you'll be well-armed. The wingnuts have decided that Clinton's over with and have focused their attention on him now. The latest thing is how they're investigating his involvement in shady real estate deals with Tony Rezco and an unnamed Iraqi millionaire.
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Hillary would be better for the country than Obama. He's a radical socialist, whereas she's a plain old socialist. McCain would be better than either, but not by a whole lot.
Could you post a list of reasons that obama sucks for us?
Listen to talk radio one day and you'll be well-armed. The wingnuts have decided that Clinton's over with and have focused their attention on him now. The latest thing is how they're investigating his involvement in shady real estate deals with Tony Rezco and an unnamed Iraqi millionaire.
This won't be over for a while. Tonight I think Hillary will win Ohio and RI. Texas I think she'd win, but he'd gain more delegates. Vermont will go for Obama.
Obama's dirty. The deeper the press digs, the more shit comes up. He's constructed his life to run for president in 2000, everything he did before then hasn't been studied as much. His tactics in ensuring that have placated the media, but with him over Hillary and no contention from the Repubs (since McCain is it), more and more is going to come up.
What might happen? Rumor, but what if McCain chooses Hillary as a VP choice. Once he gets the nom, he can pick whoever. That would easily trump Obama's message of unity, plus the two have worked together in the past. She's a conservative Liberal, he's a liberal conservative. Both sides hate both, yet together they would unite more than Obama/Hillary or Hillary/Obama.
...I'd vote for McCain/Clinton. I really would.
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I know I have no word here but I think Obama is an/a (which one should I use?) hypocrite. Why? dunno, just my 6th sense. I hope Hillary wins!
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He is, but you're not a citizen, so your opinion doesn't matter. GO BACK TO MEXICO!
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That's why I said I have no word, you foo'!
Fuck it all, I'm going to China, the next numero uno!
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They'd just draft you into the army and make you come back here to fight.
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Clinton Wins Texas. (http://www.star-telegram.com/777/story/511505.html)
Today I picked up a school paper. Inside were two articles side by side: "Clinton Rally Draws 2000" and "8000 Attend Obama Rally". One thing's for certain, she sure as hell had more than 1/5 of the state's support. Given how close it seemed, I have a feeling the Obama ppl either thought he had it in the can so they didn't bother or were too busy fainting to go vote.
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Where did the rallies occur, both on campus? Obama's rallies usually occurr exclusively on college campuses where Hillary goes all over.
I'm glad she won. I don't want another Bush or Kerry running on the Democratic ticket. Bush in the sense that he's someone run by his advisors who plan everything and Kerry who is someone who is just a bloated whale whining in the water about to be raped by conservative sharks.
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That's why I said I have no word, you foo'!
Fuck it all, I'm going to China, the next numero uno!
They don't actually eat Chinese food there. You'd have better luck in San Fransisco, which has all the gay and asian men you could eat and DELICIOUS Chinese food. China sucks as a country still. When the rebellion comes, it will burn.
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Shit now I want an eggroll. :(
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wtf is this superdelegate shit? Who decides who gets to be one?
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The Democrats have a very fuckedup system.
Since it's a private political party, and America is NOT a democracy (anyone who says it is is either simplifying the process or doesn't know the constitution), the primaries are only a part of the selection process.
A super delegate is one of the voters who decide who is getting the nomination. The primaries DO NOT ELECT the nominee. It's funny since the republicans use a democratic process and the dems use a more republican process, but then the names never really fit the idealology. The super delegate is a misnomer, since all delegates don't have to listen to the vote. Even though Obama and Clinton *have* pledged delegates, they can vote the other way just as easily. A super delegate votes on their own personal preferences. They are political leaders, representitives, past leaders (Bill and Hillary are both super delegates), governors, etc.
Superdelegates will decide this. Obama has the votes, but Hillary is snatching up the big important states. This is chess, not checkers.
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So like the former governor of some place who is a dem could be a superdelegate? They're basically rogue delegates? The fuckers who are pledged better fucking vote the way the primary went or they'll get voted out of office won't they? That shit is made public right?
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Voted out by whom? Most delegates aren't elected officials. They're appointed by the party.
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I mean...
Does it work like this:
A primary is held in Texas. Texas has a bunch of delegates. Hillary wins Texas. The Texas delegates are therefore expected to vote for Hillary. Can the Texas delegates say fuck the people's vote and vote for whomever they want? What is the repercussion of them doing something like that if they are in fact allowed to do that?
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Im not sure. They're pledged, so the party would cite them, and they would suffer the consequences, but then if the party tells them not to vote for Hillary then who knows what would happen.
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It would be like gangs of newyork when they tried to institute the draft!
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The only thing for sure is that the 2008 DNC Convention will be one for the history books.
Delegates from a state will go with the vote. Superdelegates don't. Their support is won mainly through old-fashioned political finagling. The whole process is BS, but that's your Democratic party for you.
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They don't actually eat Chinese food there. You'd have better luck in San Fransisco, which has all the gay and asian men you could eat and DELICIOUS Chinese food. China sucks as a country still. When the rebellion comes, it will burn.
Ehm I live in Chinatown, I smell chinese food EVERY DAY. Can't eat it anymore, maybe in 10 years?
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The only thing for sure is that the 2008 DNC Convention will be one for the history books.
Delegates from a state will go with the vote. Superdelegates don't. Their support is won mainly through old-fashioned political finagling. The whole process is BS, but that's your Democratic party for you.
Either way it goes, it'll be a bitchfest about the unfairness of the entire process.